people, folks who worked on his campaign, who keep telling him this is the way to go and you ve got other people, though, in the white house who are looking at this and saying, look, what is the off ramp here? at some point, this can t go on forever. what are we going to do. that s why you ve seen discussion popping up over the last 4 hours or so talking about potentially including daca in some type of fix. you had discussion today about using the emergency declaration. we ve heard the president now, it s been months he has been floating this idea, even during the midterms, we heard him talk like that when he, for instance, when he deployed the military down to the border there. they re trying to figure out, trying to come up with potential offramps to end this. josh, i don t know if folks have thought through the equation of upwards of 800,000 federal workers having to choose gasoline or health care starting next week, folks who for no fault of their own live paycheck to paycheck
and the president still, though, feels like this is a winning issue with his base. he s had so much pressure, so much feedback from people on the right, you know, the talk radio people, folks who worked on his campaign, who keep telling him this is the way to go and you ve got other people, though, in the white house who are looking at this and saying, look, what is the off ramp here? at some point, this can t go on forever. that s why you see discussion popping up talking about potentially including daca in some type of fix. discussion today about using the emergency declaration. we ve heard the president now, it s been months he has been floating this idea, even during the midterms, we heard him talk like that when he, for instance, deployed the military down to the border there. they re trying to figure out, trying to come up with potential offramps to end this. josh, i don t know if folks have naught throughout equation of upwards of 800,000 federal
today one of those senators spoke out. i just want to be super clear here, though, i mean, you calling to reopen the government now, and as even if this wall issue isn t entirely solved yet, getting the government reopened now. the reality is this, the senate appropriations bill has the wall in it. yes, let s get the government open and we can have a bigger fight for the rest of the funding anyway. that was coming whether or not you got $5 billion or more. i support getting $5 billion. i support getting more. but let s get the government open now. leadoff panel, jonathan allen, happens to be co-author of shattered, the story of the hillary clinton presidential campaign. jill colvin, white house reporter for the associated press, and josh gernstein. welcome to you all. jill, let me take you to the rose garden event this afternoon. do they seem, this is the white
getting the government reopened now. the reality is this, the senate appropriations bill has the wall in it. yes, let s get the government open and we can have a bigger fight for the rest of the funding anyway. that was going to happen whether or not you ve got $5 billion or more. i support getting $5 billion. i support getting more. but let s get the government open now. leadoff panel, jonathan allen, nbc national political reporter, co-author of shattered, the story of the hillary clinton presidential campaign. jill colvin, white house reporter for the associated press, and josh gernstein. senior legal affairs director for politico. welcome to you all. jill, let me take you to the rose garden event this afternoon. do they seem, this is the white house at large, to understand either the actual gravity of this going on too long, or even just the superficial optics, the
getting into here. i also want to say, you know, as you talked about this kind of the fact that this is impacting department of homeland security, you know, cnn had a stunning reported to that talked about tsa agents who weren t showing up for work. you have e-verify, for instance, that is not operational right now. as the president is up there talking about the need for national security, how this is all about border security, you see the impacts of the shutdown really starting to show themselves in the department of homeland security. and across the government and we re going to start seeing over the coming days how this impacts real people, how it impacts real lives. and the calculus for the president could begin to change very quickly. josh, we re told that at the staff level there will be meetings all weekend. the new chief of staff, acting chief of staff mick mulvaney is supposed to take the core west wing group to camp david on sunday for an idea session. any of this amount