to weigh in on both of the sprawling federal investigations into the former presidents. he s coming up first. plus the chair of the house democratic congress, pete aguilar, on how the party should be messaging around all of trump s legal troubles. later, officer harry dunn defended the capitol, and democracy on january six. alaska how he feels now that an indictment and that case might be right around the corner. well a lot happened this week, there s no question. overall, two big things stuck out to me. first of, all week was an extraordinary reminder of just how much legal trouble the former president is in. i mean, it really is something to have everyone on edge, all eyes glued on the courthouse in washington d.c., watching what jack smith is going to do, waiting for an indictment in the investigation in his attempt to overturn the 2020 election. only to have a new separate,
you, of course, played a significant, important role in the first impeachment trial for trump. as you look to the details here, and as we re learning more, do you feel this case of obstruction is even more clear than the mueller case? how do you compare them? you, know they re both strong in different ways. and the mueller investigation, it was trump trying to fire people like comey, or even threatening to fire mueller to it struck the investigation. it was coaching witnesses to curry s false statements there seems to be a wolf overattention of information and violation of law. then we have construction of investigation where trump is essentially instructing boxes be hidden. then there is an effort to highlight the obstruction by coaching people to distort the security of footage, the video footage. it essentially is cover-up on top of a cover-up. this seems to be a concrete,
it s affected my life in a major way. in every way. all because of lies. all because of lives. all because of lies. you know, they were election workers who are just trying to do their jobs, and contribute to the political process. and it was all because of lies. and just this week, rudy giuliani himself was admitted that he himself was not telling the truth in this case. that he was not. as much as he tortured these two women for many years, that he was not being honest about what he stated about them. you could also argue that the republican party was a victim of trump s scheme to overturn the election. in the 2022 midterms, almost every republican battleground state who denied or questioned the results of the 2020 election lost. and of course there were victims of the violent insurrection at the capitol on january 6th. that includes the actual
but as we follow the many threats of this enormous investigation, what often falls through the cracks or the victims that trump left in his wake, as he attempted to cling to power. and there are many. for starters, those victims include the american people. trump attempted to disenfranchise more than 13 million voters. who cast their ballots for joe biden in the seven states that he tried to overturn. had that effort succeeded even in part, trump would have invalidated the 81 million votes biden received across the country. which, by the, white is more than any candidate has ever received in american history. then there s president joe biden himself, who despite the fact, may always be viewed by trump s followers as illegitimate. according to a poll conducted in may, two thirds of republicans still believe the falsehood that joe biden only one because of voter fraud. and that number hasn t changed much in the last three years. the victims of trump s scheme also include countless electi
for potential indictments, when it comes to that plan, and pence s role, what are you hoping to learn? well i think that jack smith has had the opportunity according to press reports, to hear directly from mike pence. we heard from mike pence s authority, from his attorney, we heard from people around him that they were not able to hear directly from him. our report would ve been about the work we would ve done, it would ve been more complete. if many witnesses from kevin mccarthy, to mike pence, then the story is clear. the president tweeted out that continue to move up the crowd. it ended up with individuals chanting, hang mike pence. this is just who he is. when the former president got backed into a corner, he will do anything.