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no, but the debate isn t about measures. ..in history. even gary lineker, you always, when you re asked about gary lineker, refer to the measure. he wasn t talking about measures. he was talking about language. again, i would disagree. i think what happens, and what i m seeing is that we re seeing a rerun of brexit. brexit supporters were typecast as being racist, and bigoted and extremist. it s a losing technique. it s not worked. ok, but it takes two to polarise. the other thing that seems to me that comes through your story, your immigrant story, your parent s story is patriotism. so, your dad comes from kenya. he s of indian origin. your mum comes from mauritius to work in the nhs. she s of indian origin, she s a nurse. and you have said in the past, i m ferociously proud of britain. it s a very braverman word. ferociously proud. why ferociously proud? oh, because i admire, i deeply and profoundly admire what britain has done for the world over centuries.
diminishes the unspeakable tragedy that millions of people went through. and i don t think anything that is happening in the uk today can come close to what happened in the holocaust. so i find it a lazy and unhelpful comparison to make. maybe it s not flippant? maybe it is passion? like the passion you feel, theyjust disagree with you? well, i would never make those comparisons myself. and as i said, you know, we we saw it during brexit. i was called a nazi just for chairing the erg or being a brexit supporter. i think that it s an unhelpful way to frame the debate, which is actually focused on people s lives, compassion, control over our borders and, ultimately, fairness and what the british people want. final question, then. you say you love french poetry.
but what really reinforced my resolve was remembering the 17.4 million people who voted for brexit. sure. let s just bring our conversation to a close with a few last thoughts about the big issue of the week, about migration and what you re doing. you made very clear to me when i interviewed you on the today programme and others that you re not planning to get out of the european convention on human rights. i remember the last time there was a big row between strasbourg and britain, actually was under a labour government, over the issue of whether prisoners should have the vote. and, in the end, what happened is the government of the day went ahead and ignored the court. it s quite a tempting precedent, isn t it, for you? yes. the prisoner voting saga lasted about ten years. as i said, we are not withdrawing from the. these measures are not taking us out of the european convention on human rights. but you could learn from that. you could learn from that. well, i mean, ithink, again, th