you and your colleagues at the post are picking up from the president and his inner circle? we ve played that sound of him calling the cohen raid an attack on america. it rattled him at the time and i understand from you and your colleagues that it still angers him. yeah, it s been clear that, you know, there was that roger stone quote from back in april and that the new york times story that you mentioned where he basically said the president has treated michael like garbage for all these months and for all these years. michael cohen has always seemed like somebody who has been trying to get in donald trump s inner circle. apparently wanted to work in the white house. that never came to fruition. had this consulting business on the side which of course has been the subject of lots of probing here. i do think that joint defense agreement part is a key point here. this is not just michael cohen coming out and saying, i may flip on the president or hinting in that direction. this is