directing things and changes staff frequently, in most political campaign is really is the staff who is the gate keepers and i think there s a lot of people who are like, well, if i had only been able to talk to hillary and tell her what i thought, that would have changed things. martha: a lot of monday morning quarterbacking. exactly. martha: the story in vanity fair, she was enjoying the red carpet and enjoying the photo spreads too much in my opinion. she enjoyed being a celebrity too much, unnamed clinton source in the vanity source piece. lisa, one of the questions that it does bring up is robbie, john podesta, the inner circle that has been tight around her forever. do you think she may be thinking twice about that? yeah, possibly because, look, jessica is absolutely right and the democratic party should listen to her. the problems of the hillary clinton campaign start and end with hillary clinton herself and
that we have seen and silly for electors to claim that they need to see evidence that hasn t been presented to the u.s. congress. you remember last week the represents from the cia, the director of national intelligence refused even to brief members of congress who have constitutional obligation to conduct this oversight. it s silly to suggest that they ought to be briefing the electors before congress whose job it is to look at this. martha: when you look at the impact on the election, there s another story about the new york times that we are not talking about ballot boxes here. the president confirmed that on friday. the in the news conference said, look, i believe the evidence is compelling that with regard to the e-mail leaks, john podesta emails, it looks like that is that connects back to the russians, which i get and everybody would find it
their breath for a while on that one. thankfully, everybody s okay. bill: looks like hemmer sometimes on the slopes. i think russians clearly intervened in the election. clinton got 2.9 million more votes than donald trump, but, you know, donald trump is claiming the electoral college victory, and, you know, tomorrow the electors will get to vote. you didn t answer the question. do you believe this was a free and fair election. well, i think it was, i think it was distorted by the russian intervention, let s put it that way. and what does distorted mean? let me ask you this then a foreign adversary directly intervened into our democratic institution and tried to tilt the election to donald trump. bill: john podesta, hillary clinton s campaign manager, from sunday. blaming the russians clearly for hillary clinton s loss in part, calling president-elect trump vladimir putin s lap dog. karl rove, former white house deputy chief of staff to president george w. bush and a fox
that donald trump ought to accept the outcome of the election, that they are now not accepting the outcome of the election. bill: so you were to hot on fire, that continues today. i appreciate the vigor and enthusiasm. what is the means to the ends here for democrats? what is their objective prior to inauguration? well, look, i m passionate about this because this is déjà vu all over again. i saw after the 2000 election when they tried to de-legitimize george w. bush s election. we had james carville, the democratic leader of the house on meet the press twice asked by tim russert do you think george bush was legitimately elected, and twice dick gephardt, who s a good man, said no. and yesterday john podesta attempted to do the same thing 16 years later with the incoming president of the united states. it is not good for our country, particularly people who have piously and hypocritely lectured the american people who then
else. will: a bill: a pretty good civics lessons hasn t it? i bet you ve learned some things. yeah, absolutely. it s been an interesting process. i think the unfortunate thing i ve learned is that a lot of americans are not as informed on this process as they probably should be. bill: what time do you vote today? so we vote at 2:00. bill: 2:00ing. in michigan. we ll watch it. thank you, michael, for your time. thanks for having me. bill: you bet. thanks for coming on. martha: all right. so the excuses and the rationalizations for the clinton loss continue. john podesta refusing to call the presidential election fair and free. he says putin hacked the election because he, quote, wants trump as his lap dog. karl rove is here to respond to all of that later this hour. bill: also the president-elect with two events over the weekend, another message for china. do not bother giving back the drone that you stole from the waters underneath the pacific, rather, you can keep it. that was