go to war with each other. and that s why i think probably i would be less pessimistic than the man who had taught. i wouldn t necessarily say that we re going to go towards a head on conflict by the proxy war. definitely. well, jed george her thoughts too, because in many well taught in his article, he said he talks about it in this conflict as he claims we re in the middle of this 3rd world war. it s an ex, essential for the west, particularly the united states and russia. that s a very interesting characterization and characterization, because i would say from a security point of view, there is a proxy war on the part of the united states to weaken russia. we ve even heard the secretary defend say that, but he says it s just as existential to the west, which is quite an interesting characterization. go ahead, george. no, i think that s right. and it has the con, existential, because the west has chosen to go down this path. it didn t have to be existential for russia. yes,
stupid. everyone knows what they re trying to do. every one knows what the us is trying to do is to maintain its edge, you monday, all over the world. meantime, nelson, meantime we re seeing all these different groupings where the bricks and other eurasian countries as well forming economists, stability and security contracts as well. nelson, if the conversation just demands more time than we have available today. nelson wong malakai economic forum expert and chairman of the shanghai center for international studies. always great to see you. thank you for your time. thank you . i thank you for your time as well show wrapping up right now, but we are back in half an hour. ah, ah ah hello and welcome to cross talk. we re all things considered. i m peter lavelle in a recent interview. french intellectual, emmanuel todd claims. the 3rd world war has already started. its epicenter is, of course, ukraine, and it s a western war against russia and china. if this scholar is correct,
the cross trucking, global conflict, i m joined by my guess, jordan sent me well we in budapest, he s a podcast for the goggle, which can be found on youtube and locals in paris. we have john laughlin, he is a university lecture in history and political philosophy and it needs to be cross to alex hello badge. he is a veteran reporter and foreign affairs analysts. are a gentleman, cross type roles, and in fact, that means you can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate it. let me go to john 1st and paris in la, figured out in the pages of the figure we had the manual todd talk about global change going on. and the epicenter of that change, of course, is ukraine. but he characterizes it as already were in the 3rd world war because i think a lot of it s been watching the commentary ever since of february of last year that we could be going on the, on the edge of we could be all this kind of stuff here, this anthropologist if i m not mistaken, he says we re already in if j
for the intervention practised by outside powers by the nazis on the one handed by the soviet union on the other. so the spanish will was a special was a proxy war much as we have in ukraine. and of course, to some extent it was a precursor to the 2nd world war. and so in that sense, i think that he is right. the big difference of course, is that we re in the nuclear age now, and that s why you can t really compare the 19th thirty s to the present period because of the big powers america, russia and china and san know that there are very serious limits to, ah, they can go to war with each other and that s why i think probably i would be less pessimistic than emmanuel told i wouldn t necessarily say that we re going to go towards a head on conflict by the proxy war. definitely. well jen george. your thoughts too, because emanuel taught in his article, he said that he talks about it, that this conflict as he claims we re in the middle of this 3rd world war. it s an exit central
ah, ah ah ah. with hello and welcome to cross talk. we re all things considered. i m peter lavelle in a recent interview. french intellectual, emmanuel todd claims. the 3rd world war has already started. it s epicenter is of course, ukraine, and it s a western war against russia and china. if this scholar is correct and we can expect to be living in a very dangerous world for a very long time. i cross sucking global conflict. i m joined by my guest, george samuel l. e. in budapest. he s a podcast or the goggle which can be found on youtube locals in paris. we have john laughlin, he is a university lecture in history and political philosophy and it needs to be crossed to alex me. hello badge. he is a veteran reporter and foreign affairs analyst, or a gentleman cross stock rolls. in fact, that means you can jump any time you want and i will appreciate it. let me go to john 1st and paris in la figaro and the pages of the pig row. we had emanuel todd talk about global change goin