an attachment to any other tired doing ma dogma that people can add to the heap of history. this was evident yesterday in the president s tribute to the late senator when he posted this instagram tribute featuring a photo of not john mccain but the president himself. for more on this i m joined by betsy woodruff, republican strategist and author of everything trump touches dies and a former obama administration official. rick, let me begin with you, if i may. it is still jarring to hear that comment from then candidate trump about mccain being a hero only because he was captured and that he doesn t like people that were captured. but here s the interesting thing. we now kind of understand where trump comes from so many different angles when it comes to competition and rivals. but why didn t he pay a bigger political price within the
speaking in the coming days about the legacy of this great american hero. i know that you are former campaign adviser to senator mccain. it s great to you have with us to offer perspective and insight on the senator s legacy. i want to separate his domestic policies from the foreign policy. we ll get into the foreign policy, certainly not without controversy on the key decisions he made. but let s talk about from your perspective what the senator s legacy is going to look like domestically. i think domestically, campaign finance reform is always going to be associated with mccain-feingold and the efforts to change our campaign laws which i think have been quite successful. the gift ban, for example, things that practices in washington were commonplace 20 or 30 years ago are no longer the case because of john mccain. so i think that will be really the centerpiece. there are so many things. i think every decade, richard, it had something, for example,
goes back to the mid 19th century. the second person to be afforded such an honor is abraham lincoln. john mccain, his casket will rest on the same support, a c catafulk, john mccain is only the 32nd person in american history to be afforded this honor. you re right, we now have the details. the tick to bei-tock about how going to happen and when. the senator would have been his 82nd birthday on tuesday 29th. he will lie in state at the phoenix state capitol there. the governor announcing that. and then wednesday the 30th, a service, the north phoenix baptist church attended by the mccain family. after that, it s complete, the ceremonies in arizona, senator mccain and his family will make their way aboard a military transport and land at andrews familiar to many americans as
could take any setback and go on, john mccain, he could take any setback and keep going forward. but we have too many people, too many small people who get fired from a job or get in a fight in a bar, get lose some money, do one thing that happens in everybody s life and then they reach for the gun and kill everyone. so as a society, we really got to change that thought process when people are young, when people are young that, it s your life. you re going to get knocked down. you need to get back up. and that doesn t mean revenge on everybody. that sounds like we find ourselves in this tragedy after every one of these shootings. i ll ask you to stick around. we have a lot more to talk b we ll continue to follow this story. straight ahead, we re going to talk about the life and legacy of senator john mccain. stay with us. of senator john mcn stay with us
yeah. i have admired him, like i said, my entire life. and it s tough to imagine a senate without him. it s tough to imagine politics without john mccain. so the nation preparing to hohn yort life a honor of the life and man who blazed the political trail. he died saturday after a battle with brain cancer. joining me now nbc s mike vicara, former mccain adviser and national political reporter jonathan allen. mike, let s go to you. on capitol hill, excuse me, get an update on what the plans are to honor him there. i know that we ve been updated within the last hour or so with some more specifics as to what we can expect. well, that s right. the bottom line is that we know we did know that john mishg ca mccain was going to be honored this rare honor to lie in state of the capitol, a tradition that