better legislator. she thought he was working with an agreement that was $3.5 trillion, but this is a woman who takes the what s been handed to her in lemons and makes sure it gets made into the lemonade. reporter: the big question mark is surrounding john manuelian, the moderate from west virginia, who said $1.5 trillion was his number and after hours of negotiations with fellow democrats, leadership, as well as white house officials last night in his hideaway, he came out around 10:00 p.m. and told reporters $1.5 trillion is my number. the fact they are discussing potentially $2.1 million, if they can t get manchin, that framework won t work. that is a number included by leadership and the white house but the problem all along is you have to get the moderates on board. right now joe manchin is a holdout. i don t see necessarily that
was accused in a car bombing in 1996. her lawyers say one of his business rivals probably killed him but that is not what the prosecution says. we have john manuelian, a criminal defense attorney. nice to have you both on the story today as we continue to follow it. we heard from quite a few different characters yesterday. one was the man who was hired by pamela to watch her children, a manny if you will, a male naney. he said he worked hours and hours and hours. he has a certain perspective into the life of pamla. let s play a little sound from him. this jent nan, the one that was the hotel owner, was older gentleman, divorced. and then the other gentleman was younger and, she said, i really want, you know, i m attracted this one but, you know, i need a husband that is worth $20 million. jenna: brian, who doesn t need a husband worth $20 million.
him. that is why they will be careful. as far as damages are concerned. this is a multimillion-dollar home. and you know, eggs could make that kind of damage but again i think at the end of the day there will be a compromise. he will probably earn a misdemeanor, if not a dismissal but his license should be his worry at this point. i think they should make him scrub the eggs off the property himself. they could do that. the judge could order him to do that. then he could scrub them off his face. jon: that would be worthwhile. john manuelian, jonna spilbor, thank you very much. jenna: must be hard for you, justin bieber, lindsay lohan, those are your favorites. which do you choose which is your favorite celebrity? jon: it is unfortunate who we turn into celebrities in this country, isn t it? jenna: it is news. jon: i guess. jenna: at least we take a look with our legal panels. unexpected endorsement for president from hillary clinton. former cia director throws support behind her
decision this week, jon. jon: julie, thank you. let s get back to our conversation with jonna and john. john, i know that each case is supposed to be taken individually but justin bieber has been in the news a lot lately. does the, breadth of his problems, the number of places in which he is accused of breaking the law, i mean of, an arrest in miami, miami beach for driving a car way over the speed limit and perhaps under the influence, does that all go toward making this a more serious charge? might the defense, i m sorry, might the prosecution lien toward a felony prosecution here? i think the felony prosecution is going to be filed because of the amount of the damages, not because it is his justin bieber and race car driving up and down a south beach miami strip. remember in this case he is accused of throwing eggs and causing damage in excess of $20,000. anything over the $400 in the
do, pay back every legitimate cent of damage and charge with misdemeanor and see what happens. jon: john, do prosecutors think that if they don t intervene now, if they don t give this guy some tough love, there could be bigger problems down the road? and that probably is a thought in the prosecutor s head but prosecutor s are not justin bieber s parents or managers or agents. what i think they should do treat him if he is not justin bieber. treat him as any other idiot egging your neighbor s houses and causes damage. do it that way and don t elevate it because it is justin bieber. jon: john, we ve seen it with stars, celebrities like lindsay lohan, california justice is pretty timid handing out tough punishment. well, i don t agree with that. i think the prosecutors pick every case on case-by-case basis. in fact just the opposite. i think they want to make it look like they re not giving justin bieber the extra deference. they want to make it look like they re being even-handed wi