you take care. bye-bye. all right, back to our top story. secretary of state john kerry set to travel to ukraine. that announcement just coming out. it s part of a still developing response from washington to russia s power play in the region. what impact will his visit have? and the woman who has become the face of the irs targeting scandal. lois lerner. her attorney, what they have said. will she testify or won t she? there s a catch. a political insiders are warming up in the green room. and they can t wait to get out. i bought a car, over and tells you, and you re like. a good deal or not. looking at truecar.com. there s no buyer s remorse. save time, save money, and never overpay.
what pat and john are talking about. basically, the corruption of our entire federal government, the politicization of the investigatory process. i don t believe she s believed she s waived her fifth amendment right, whether or not, to be fair to you, jamie, she has done it. more political circus, more political theater. we re not going to learn anything from her, i don t believe, except our government is irretrievably and irrevocably broken. at the same time, the irs is planning bigger attacks because not even republicans will stand up for themselves. when you let corruption go unabated, it just gets worse. and more dangerous. you know what i was going to say? i want folks to check in with all of you and continue the conversation with the political insiders on our website, foxnews.com every monday 10:30 a.m. eastern. and you know what, guys? tonight, it s the oscars, the academy awards.apthere should b
something will happen. this is the danger to be weak, not to be strong. not only that. if we re called in to help economically, it could cost our country a lot of money. and taxpayers pay attention to that. go ahead, pat. doug, i thought nato had a treaty to defend ukraine. am i wrong? we have treaty obligations under the 1994 budapest agreement. if the russians violate their sovereignty, we have obligations with the british to go in and support the ukrainians. the ukrainians can renuclearize if their sovereignty is jeopardized. but bottom line, what you said is exactly right. what john is saying, exactly right. we re not standing up to the russians, not standing up to putin. no amount of interviews and hand wrinking is going to change that fact. what we don t have, if you go back to another invasion, jamie, itial reaction from the first e
no hard action, no hard decisions. vladimir putin has seen we are again a paper tiger. so it s been window dressing and not a lot of action. precisely. john, what would ronald reagan say about all this right now? a good question because i wonder if putin would have done it if reagan was in the oval office. he would be afraid, a little bit of trying to gauge what reagan would do. let s say, it doesn t matter, obama is the leader of the free world. it s time to lead. it doesn t mean we have to fight russia militarily. there s no stomach for that kind of thing, but there are things we can do to put pain on putin. number one, decouple the banking system. so the russian banking system is unhooked from us. try to get western europe to do the same thing. if that doesn t do it, we look at freezing the russian leader s personal bank accounts that are stashed all over western europe, cause pain on them is the one
beneficiaries of this program. they don t like it. to add to that, some democrats who actually voted for it have said they wouldn t have if they had known. they re nervous nellies. millions of people have lost their health care, jamie, to say that they re, quote, horror stories are just wholly untrue, made up out of whole cloth, are illusory, if not a total distortion. why as a democrat did harry reid do this, would you say? i m a loyal democrat, pat is a democrat. we feel you have to make policy based on reality. this is just partisan rhetoric designed to get through an election by doubling down on what policies that john suggested quite rightly are unpopular. pat? i think it s worse than that. you know, by 2 to 1, the american people believe that the people in washington lie about everything all the time at a level we have never seen in our