budget committee, mika. but he s been given a great deal more power than any budget chairman has ever been given. more power than john kasic had when we came in in 95 and kasic was, of course, like a god to us, and what he did with the budget. so boehner has empowered a lot of conservatives underneath him. i think it s going to be a fascinating counter to the white house. and if speaker boehner puts into action the words and the tone of his speech today, it will be a really interesting process of watching the evolution of a politician. you and pat say you started out as red hots. you both have evolved. he, too, seems to be well, i don t know about evolving. oh, come on. have you evolved, pat? i ve learned to tellmper my tone. joe is an evolved man oovps.
it is not going to happen. you don t have to repeal it. you just defund it. with us from capitol hill republican representative from wisconsin, the new chairman of the house budget committee, congressman paul ryan. not only chairman of the budget committee, but you have been given more powers than even kasic had when i came in in 95. what s going on up there? we re serious about cutting spending, joe. that s what s going on up here. that s what we re all about. let me ask you this. can you take care of america s long-term budget problems without accounting spending at the pentagon, without taking only social security s explosive growth, without taking on medicare s explosive growth? you just put about 75% of the budget out of reach under that formula. so no, the man ser is. that s basically two-thirds of the budget there that you just articulated. we have to look at every spending program, go after
entitlements 3% social security, 4% medicare. everything else is ridiculous at that point. what is very, very simple, simple math, people paying payroll taxes of $100,000 over the course of their life, they get $30,000 of medical benefits after they retirement. that doesn t add up. it s simple. me being a liberal, still as a businessman, a real lift, no different than what christie and cuomo are doing with the unions, it s simple. no discussion. that s it. as we ve been saying for two years, mike, it s not ideology. it s math. the numbers didn t add up for the uaw, they don t add up for the public unions, that s why cuomo and jerry brown are saying the same thing that chris christie and john kasic are saying. i think we re actually coming to a time where the center is expanding we can actually thank for chris christie for some of this,
preemptively caving in the way he did on the bush tax cuts, then you re not going to force any kind of big conversation, and, you know, it s not as though there was some golden era where we had big conversations all the time. but we had a few. and it would be a great thing if this were one of those eras in which we had one. it wasn t so long ago, a decade ago, when the washington post and the new york times were saying that the budget was unbalanceable. the same way they re saying it s unbalanceable now. guess what? we had john kasic and leon panetta fought behind the scenes like hell for years and they balanced the budget. obsessively i keep going back. 1990 is a situation where you had a president pay a live political price to do something that he thought was right and that turned out to be the right
other side. so democrats and i dare say even republicans, as much as anti incumbent, people want change. as a group who has not participated before, they ve got to come out. not just the east coast, but across america. let s go right now to washington, d.c. we ve got democratic senator sharon brown from ohio. good to see you. thanks. we re talking about last night s results. obviously there s also upheaval in your home state, the ultimate belt weather state i believe right now, ohio. voters seem awfully angry, throwing out republican incumbents and democratic incumbents last night. what s the mood in ohio? the news in ohio is governor strickland had a debate last night and did very well with his challenger john kasic. i think the voters in ohio recognized that strickland inherited a mess and he s on track to fix things. the story of last night as i was listening to the conversation on my earpiece in the last few minutes, i think the story was