company. john hoffmeister is the founder and ceo and has personal experience with groups like these. john, good to see you, shell oil, i have heard of that. good job, i want to ask you, though, you say he is not the first? he is not going to be the last? no, you know, there are the good the good thing about our american system is people have the right to say what they think. now, there is good judgment and there is not so good judgment about when and what to say and where and so forth. and there are questions if you consequences if you step out of line, you don t have the right to chain yourself to pipelines. you are out of line, you have free speech, but then don t come on the other side complaining if the law is treating you justly for whatever you did. whether it is chaining yourself
it was not just the security people who wanted them out. the audience wanted them out. they re just a nuisance, obstructing their experience of free speech, which includes listening as well as speaking. it is not to diminish their position, it is to diminish the tactics meant to intimidate and debate. john, good to see you. thank you. up next, former presidential candidate mitt romney joins us about what he really thinks about the botched health care rollout and how president obama is misusing his constitutional power. does he think we re in the middle of a crisis? and reports say o.j. simpson doesn t really like prison. he apparently now says he wants to die and is on a hunger strike. tonight, see why we just learned that he apparently is in prison because of president obama. in the new new york,
john hoffmeister is the founder and ceo and has personal experience with groups like these. john, good to see you, shell oil, i have heard of that. good job, i want to ask you, though, you say he is not the first? he is not going to be the last? no, you know, there are the good the good thing about our american system is people have the right to say what they think. now, there is good judgment and there is not so good judgment about when and what to say and where and so forth. and there are questions if you consequences if you step out of line, you don t have the right to chain yourself to pipelines. you are out of line, you have free speech, but then don t come on the other side complaining if the law is treating you justly for whatever you did. whether it is chaining yourself
votes, they are selling decisions. yes. i think the model, the way we always think of the influence market in d.c., is that it s like bribery. that you have these outside interests that are in effect bribing our politicians. and that certainly can take place. i think the bigger problem is more akin to extortion. where the politicians identify wealthy companies or industries and basically mark them for extortion. they introduce pieces of legislation or they threat uncertain things that put those entities in a position to where they have to play ball. reporter: one person who knows all about this fully legal form of extortion is the former president of shell oil usa, john hoffmeister. i realized that there is a price to participate in the political process. what i never knew was what a huge price it was and how it was an endless process of continuously being hit up for money. reporter: in 2008, when oil
market in d.c., is that it s like bribery. that you have these outside interests that are in effect bribing our politicians. and that certainly can take place. i think the bigger problem is more akin to extortion. where the politicians identify wealthy companies or industries and basically mark them for extortion. they introduce pieces of legislation or they threat threaten certain things that put those entities into a position to where they have to play ball. reporter: one person who knows all about this fully legal form of extortion is the former president of shell oil usa, john hoffmeister. i realized that there is a price to participate in the political process. what i never knew was what a huge price it was and how it was an endless process of continuously being hit up for money. reporter: in 2008, when oil prices were skyrocketing, hoffmeister was hauled before committee after congressional committee, 18 different hearings.