david, i wanted to read you this quote from a former u.s. attorney, john fishhook, jr. quoted in the wall street journal. a claim that his sfeech was protected by first amendment and acted in good faith, the two arguments could be at odds with each other. if you say, i m a liar, and the first amendment lets me do that, that undercuts your good faith defense. talk about how this all playing out, david. i think they re using stale talking points in pushing this first amendment defense. they had this you had in case he was charged with conspiracy, but he wasn t. thee using the old talking points where they really don t apply. speech in service of a crime is not protected speech. we prosecutor a lot of people in this office who engage in criminal speech. there was a woman recently who we convicted of soliciting a hit map to try to kill her husband.
and identify uncharged individuals. ongoing investigations. i have questions. joining me now to answer them arejoyce vance, former u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama and john fishhook, former u.s. attorney for virginia. thank you both for being here tonight, it s great to see you. john, can i just ask you whether this little, what i call spicy nugget in the latest filing, stuck out to you as it did to me? this notion of ongoing investigations and what exactly the special counsel s office might be referring to. that interesting, alex, and thanks for having me back on the show. i think that is very interesting and obviously that can be focused on the january 6th, that can be other folks related to the classified documents. i think it would be the classified documents, it would mean that there are separate indictments. i think they want to keep the trump indictment separate if
or joyce vance former u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama and john fishhook, former u.s. attorney for virginia. thank you both for being here tonight, it s great to see you. john, can i just ask you whether this little, what i call spicy nugget in the latest filings stuck out to you as it did to me? this notion of ongoing investigations and what exactly the special counsel s office might be referring to. that interesting alex and thanks for having me back on the show. i think that is very interesting and obviously that can be focused on the january 6th, they can be other folks related to the classified documents. i think it would be the classified documents, it would mean that there are separate indictments. i think they want to keep the trump indictment separate if they ve got that on the fastest trying to bacon get on. jack smith is laser focused on moving the classified documents case forward. that motion today shows he s following by the book, he s not deferring to
when they ve been asked to put up or shut on that, they have delayed the investigation, they have not been willing to answer the question. so whether the strategy was, we want to try to get along, we don t want to be as aggressive, regardless, the strategy has not been consistent. the challenge there when the team, any team, but certainly a legal team, is not consistent and unified, while they are disorganized and uncertain of what their strategies used to be. the doj has specifically the agents work on this case when they get freedom from judge cannon s rulings, they are aggressively and fairly and objectively looking at these documents and running them to determine if classified documents were improperly handled and misrepresentations made about them. john fishhook is they were preventative of the western district of virginia. thank you for your time. thanks so much. still ahead this friday night.
documents and running them to determine if classified documents were promptly mishandled and misrepresentations made about them. john fishhook is they were preventative of the western district of virginia. thank you for your time. thanks so much. still ahead this friday night. beto or work faces off against texas republican governor greg abbott in the first and only debate in the texas governor tory a race. and i sat down with beto rourke him self and a campaign event in texas just ahead of the debate. that is coming up next. ng up next imagine having to use the wrong tool at your job. (upbeat music)