he was trying to get them to think that the competition with the soviets was serious enough to get americans to pay for defense and perhaps to render their sons and daughters very quickly after world war ii. host: how much continuity was there when it came to soviet power from fdr to guest: a lot more than people gave a sense of. dwight eisenhower campaign on something called rollback and john wayne would appear at eisenhower rallies a elect bike because he will like the russians out of eastern europe and eisenhower to some extent was curious about that as an ultimate aim of american policy. but this was very characteristic. andrew goodpastor was later general. a very fine man and junior member of the eisenhower staff. early in 1953 he decided to have a little study whether they should do rollback or not and it was called operation solarium. was on the top floor with a lot of sense screening. he appointed three teams. one was rollback. pushed the russians out of eastern