That the president has been acid wously denying for more than a year now, that there was a in fact a major russian operation to interfere in the 2016 u. S. Election. And, you know, the Intelligence Community has been saying for a year now that they have high confidence that that is the case. And here you have the u. S. Department of justice and a grant Ju Grand Jury saying they can prove that beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law, using admissible evidence. And that, you know, is a Rod Rosenstein today was extremely careful not to offend the president and make sure that no americans were witting participants in this plot. But that is a remarkable factual repudiation of the entire
he was very careful to stay within what is alleged in the indictment. But he did make a point on several occasions of saying that no americans are accused of participation in this. And i do think that was probably aimed at the president in a fashion that allows the president at least until such a time as
attorney fani willis who is overseeing a probe in his plot to overthrow the 2020 election. and special counsel jack smith, one of the matters smith is overseaing, the justice department s criminal probe of the january 6th insurrection. trump s lawyers were in court today asking a judge to storm former vice president mike pence from testifying. the day after one of the lawyers representing trump today lost a bid to avoid testifying in smith s other probe into the mar-a-lago classified documents. cocoran is expected to testimony tomorrow and we can expect more temper tantrums from trump, because it s like lie the grand jury will meet on the hush money matter on monday. joining me now to discuss all of this is joe winebanks, a special watergate prosecutor. kurt bardella, contributor to the l.a. times and the best dressed man on set today. and maya wiley, president of the leadership conference on several and human rights. thank you all so much for joining me.
doesn t happen. if you don t try to overthrow the country, maybe you re not these are things that trump has caused on his own. what s been fascinating is the same republicans who were screaming, lock her up, and talking about the clinton foundation, talking about hillary clinton, are crying and complaining now. let s play some sound from lindsey graham begging begging for trump s freedom, and we ll get your thoughts on the other side. i m begging and urging this prosecutor, don t do this to the country. don t jeopardize the rule of law for the nation as a whole. there s a better way to do this. we ll have an election about trump. to prosecute president trump in light of everything he s just said would be weaponization of the legal system, it would be set a bad precedent in the country. it would come back to haunt us for decades. and i hope and pray they do not do this in new york. now, the weaponization of the legal system, maya, correct me, you re the lawyer here, i believe th
their families. and half those people are black. yeah. and only 12% result in an actual conviction. but do we hear anybody running around saying, oh, these prosecutors, here s the problem for the rule of law that all these people, all these people are facing criminal charges for nothing. now we have a manpower, who has power, who has wealth, and who has corrupted the system and endangered our democracy, but now we want to attack alvin bragg for being a prosecutor? come on. yeah, and it s like, that s the thing, too, this republican party, who has allowed george santos to stay in congress. yes, exactly. who doesn t want to if that s his real name. who doesn t want to talk about jim jordan, about what happened when he was the blindest wrestling coach in ohio. we just had this information james comber in an interview admits that he s been part of some shady things during his time, and it s like, this is a massive criminal
policy, where it s like, hey, look, if we have any loopholes here, we re going to pass the law now. you mauck that phone call, automatic felony. or, you make these suggestions, automatic felony. which of these is likely to result in change at a policy level in our government, regardless of how the trials turn out? well, i think that s a very hard question to answer. and i ll tell you why. not because we couldn t look at this and say, here are the laws we have to make clearer so that nobody can argue right. that they went around it, but one is what kurt points to, which is, for all of the arguments about caring about the rule of law and please don t bust it up by going after somebody who may have broken it, and, by the way, watching what s happening in georgia where lawmakers are looking at trying to carve back what a prosecutor can do right. because of donald trump, which is not a pro rule of law position to take, it s not clear