i thought he was solid, did himself no harm. established his conservative bona fides for the future which is going to be important to him. so what biden really did is he reset the table for tuesday night. he s now handed that ball back off to the president and it s now his to do with it as he can. all right. ann, thank you very much. i ll have to join you for a relaxing cup of tea after what we witnessed between david and jonathan. we ll mark it that joe juice. thank you all. greatly appreciate it. will president obama as you just heard, take a cue from vice president biden in four days when he faces off against mitt romney in the town hall debate? a town hall format, questions from the audience. it is the next big planned event that could shake up the race. we always know that things are unplanned can certainly happen. politico courthouse editor rachel smolkin and keith boykin will join us.