untrue. so that s where things got overblown. it s going to take joe clancy and the department of homeland security a little bit of time to weed out the facts. remember, there were two incidents that night. one was the unattended package. first and foremost, we need to look at that investigation because that has the direct impact on whether or not there s a violation of security protocol. secondarily, we have to look at this incident. were any rules and regulations violated? were these individuals drinking? were they drinking in a government car? those facts have not come out yet. we need to allow you talked to these guys. do you think there will be disciplinary action? absolutely. this is joe clancy s first litmus test as director. if he does not get ahead of of this and if disciplinary action is warranted, he ll take it and he ll ensure that proper protocols were followed. can i ask you a separate
joe clancy will have to look back at and administrative policies of video capture and how long do we maintain that video. there are a lot of videotapes around the white house. it s one of the most secure buildings in the world. it s under constant surveillance by the secret service. so how long do you maintain that administratively? joe clancy didn t know about this incident for a few days. if you look at the time line, he didn t really know about it until more than 72 hours. so i have confidence that if joe clancy was notified that this incident had occurred in a timely manner, then they would have been able to preserve the integrity of those tapes for that incident. that s the problem. joe clancy wasn t notified of this until five days later. he says he s very angry about that and wants to fix that. how does that happen? you ve been there. what are different layers there. someone had to affirmatively make the decision we re not telling the boss. i think that s one of the big
issue, this is a thorn in my side. secret service related but not on this incident. when questions were coming at the director he was at an appropriations committee hearing. he asked in the midst of this that the secret service needs $8 million to build a replica of the white house for training purposes. $8 million in the scope of government funding, not a lot. 8 million to you, me and everyone else is a lot. it was described as my producer said they re asking for an $8 million dollhouse to train in. do they need it? absolutely. absolutely. you have to look at the way that the secret service has been funded in the past and what we ve done with training. one of the biggest problems with the secret service is that we have not had adequate training year over year. i applaud joe clancy and senior management of the service at this point in time to get ahead of that. we need proper funding for technology. we need proper funding for our people and for training and that $8 million replica is
unhappy that he didn t find out about this whole thing no matter if it was overblown or not until five days later. surveillance video of the incident may have been lost because it was only saved for 72 hours. he confirmed at a hearing yesterday that it was lost and erased per that 72-hour policy. let s discuss this and much more with jonathan. he served with the secret service from 2009 until last year under president obama. great to see you. thanks for coming in. thanks for having me. from outside looking in, some of this might not surprise you but from outside looking in, the 72-hour policy seems a bit of a surprise. i mean, when it s confirmed by director clancy yesterday that the video was lost and that it was erased and then you hear from the chairman of the oversight committee calling it a flat out dumb policy, do you agree? i think that s something that
things that s going on right now. joe clancy has a lot of issues that he has to deal with throughout his organization. he s brand new. he s only been there about a month, month and a half. he has to restructure the entire management process of the secret service. this won t happen overnight. joe clancy needs the support of everyone to overhaul. you know these guys that were involved. absolutely. do you think that this incident was overblown? absolutely. i think this incident was does it make it okay? no. so there s two different things there. having an incident overblown and making it all right, drastically different. what was overblown and where did they violate when they consider it the right way of doing things. rumor got ahead of the facts. for many days, you know, rumor just perpetuated in the media and there are a lot of different media outlets reporting that they careened into a barricade and they ran over packages. we now know a lot of that was