smearing joe biden. that call happened between trump and ukrainian president july 25th, 2019. the hair-raising nature of that call was alerted up the chain by an anonymous whistleblower that set in motion which would end up the first of two impeachments of president donald trump. but before tonight, before cnn published this today, we had never before heard the call that rudy giuliani made three days before trump s call with zelensky, giuliani laid out the ground work for that call between the two presidentings. this is a call before rudy giuliani and basically the top adviser to ukraine s president. az said, this call took place three days before trump s one on one call with ukraine s president. and this all came after giuliani had spent months meeting with his secret sources in crew crane
talk about that. saying that elections are a joke, want to live in a country to meet the moment, have a dictator. it s quicker, easier, actually works. that s their case. us making the counterargument that democracy is a better way for humans to govern themselves is a noble thing. and i think ennobling idea for thinking about our place in the world, but when the rubber hits the road in terms of us setting a good example, we have a couple of real challenges here at home. first and most obvious one is former president trump and his supporters and party as whole are making it their whole focus in life right now, the main focus of what they re doing in politics to undermine the last election. to undermine the election of ideas as definitive statements of the will of the people at all. their most important task right now, the litmus task for support for republican politicians by the former president is that if
they promote this fiction the former president, president trump wasn t really voted out of office. interesting when cnn posted that audio today of giuliani s call to the ukrainian government, reporters matthew chance and marcia cohen at cnn, said, quote, the giuliani call was one of the opening salvos in the year s long quest by trump and his allies to subvert the 2020 election and damage biden. lying about voter fraud, attempting to overturn the results and inciting the deadly january 6th assault on the capitol. it s all part of the same thing. if we re trying to show the world that democracy works. free and fair elections are the righteous way for free people to express their political views and choose their leaders, it s a problem, if one of the major parties decides they reject, deny and defy election results if they don t produce their desired results. after election that produces not
the obama administration. it was 16% in march of 2010. and dropped to 7% under president obama. and trump while this is happening denied it was even happening. he called the numbers fake news. he came into office and suddenly all the numbers he said were fake were magically real. he took credit for the momentum that occurred since that time. i want to put those back up. so under obama, as you said, march 2010. 16%. end of the presidency. 7.9%. the difference of 8.9%. so trump highest was 8%. february of 2017. now it s at 5.5%. down 2.5%. we have 8.9% in the obama presidency and 2.5% in this presidency. it is good news. it s a good trend. it doesn t start under this president. the numbers declined under the former president.
head-to-head match-up. what do you think of that? it s interesting and it matters in terms of what it says maybe about trump s weakness, but i think in terms of looking at any general election polls right now, national or state by state is a big mistake. things turn so fast. i mean, i remember working for several candidates who were ahead, whether it was against ronald regan or against bush in 2004 or obama against romney early. the polls were closer. things change pretty dramatically. i think the state by state though, if you re going to look at general election polls, it s more significant that these polls are close in the states that really matter, that joe biden beats trump in texas, for instance, and that the rest of the field is close. rick, i have to ask you because republican officials in multiple states are about to cancel the 2020 presidential primary elections in support of