That volker told house investigators he warned ukraines leadership not to interfere in u. S. Politics. This was after the call with President Trump at the end of july. In other words, he told them not to do what the president and giuliani and later the Vice President pence and others were pressuring them to do. There is yet more reporting from volkers appearance today. Text messages, including one from the top u. S. Diplomat to ukraine at the time telling american colleagues, quote, i think its crazy to withhold Security Assistance to ukraine for help with a Political Campaign. And finally, on top of all that, there is new word tonight of another whistleblower, this time at the irs, alleging political interference involving the president or Vice President s tax returns. All of this at the end of a news day dominated by President Trump openly doing what he has loudly denied doing in private and what he says was his perfect phone call with the president of ukraine. Today, the president s
problem. when rudy giuliani goes on television, jody venn nova and some of these other allies, they never have information to point to say she was a problem. as to the question whether pompeo defended her or protected her, giuliani says that he talked to mike pompeo to tell him that the state department was protecting her, that the president had wanted her out for the better part of a year, and she wasn t out. how she was protected it s unclear, but i can tell you with certainty that at the end of the day, mike pompeo agreed with the president and agreed that she had to go. michael bender, fascinating reporting. thank you very much. thank you. appreciate it. joining us now is cnn chief legal analyst jeffrey toobin, former state department spokesperson and obama white house communications director jen sake, david gergen and maggie haberman. maggie, you and your colleagues