case? we don t know who the next witness is going to be but there will be a couple of domestic abuse experts are trying to explain. severity of the attack on travis and try to explain that a woman had a has been abused had this type of attack. it will be an over and over and violent act. that is what we re looking at next couple of days. greta: and i was a defense lawyer for a number of years. first she said she didn t do it. then she said somebody else do did it and then she said she did it because of self-abuse. that is a hurdle. lawyers are going to have struggle before the jury? they have seen all this lies. the big thing is this. everybody watching this case. how else is jodi going to tell the jury she was abused so badly she had to killed travis unless she takes the stand. how is he is going to deal with all these lies. greta: she is going to have deal with it somehow.
this witness? that is good question. i have to say, that little soundbite, it s eerie. last images of him alive of him standing in the shower. jodie took the pictures. he didn t seem very happy that she was taking pictures, darrell brewer, jodi took pictures of him in the shower. he wasn t happy about that either. interesting parallel. greta: another sordid aspect, they are paying attention to is the fact that jodi has a new love life, is that right? that is actually a surprise to me. i met jodi in jail about a week and a half ago. i know a lot of pod mixes she was close to her cellmate. we didn t talk about whether she had a girlfriend. cellmate is being called as a witness when we get to the penalty phase. she didn t say anything about girlfriends. i was told about jail personnel,
this witness? that is good question. i have to say, that little soundbite, it s eerie. last images of him alive of him standing in the shower. jodie took the pictures. he didn t seem very happy that she was taking pictures, darrell brewer, jodi took pictures of him in the shower. he wasn t happy about that either. interesting parallel. greta: another sordid aspect, they are paying attention to is the fact that jodi has a new love life, is that right? that is actually a surprise to me. i met jodi in jail about a week and a half ago. i know a lot of pod mixes she was close to her cellmate. we didn t talk about whether she had a girlfriend. cellmate is being called as a witness when we get to the penalty phase. she didn t say anything about girlfriends. i was told about jail personnel,
if they have been there a long time, even if they aren t gay, they hook up. greta: another weird chapter. is there any plea discussion in this case? there was a plea discussion. we got a hold of it here. a year and a half ago, this is before the case even got to trial at this point. jodi and her attorneys went to prosecutors said look, we ll take a second deal. if she were saying i didn t kill travis but her story hasn t changed in the plea deal she tried to get. she said i killed travis but i was pushed that way because he abused me. it s a big significant difference, we re talking death penalty versus second-degree murder. if here in arizona, it s 10-25 years. she has been in jail four years. but the prosecutor said no and we are in a death penalty case. greta: what is the defense