seats the lost class. this advocacy group, change the ref, was founded by manuel and patricia oliver. their son was killed in marjory stoneman douglas high school in parkland, florida. joaquin was 17 years old. he was a great writer, an athlete, loved music. his father said today that he was not scared to pull off this sort of unbelievable piece of advocacy and honestly centrifuge. he said, quote, we need to show we re brave and we re not afraid of these guys. we ve already felt the worst possible situation. there s no threat that can make me feel different. actions, not words. joining us now is manuel oliver. mr. oliver, thank you so much for being here. i areally appreciate it. thank you. you did a great job presenting what we did. i love it. thank you. well, tell me about change the rough and tell me about how you came up with this idea. well, change the rough is a
of, in 2018 their son was killed at stoneman douglas high school in parkland, florida. he was 17 years old. he was a great writer, an athlete, he loved music. his father manuel said today that he was not scared to pull off this sort of unbelievable piece of advocacy, and honestly subterfuge he said quote, we need to show were brave and not afraid of these guys. we ve already felt the worst possible situation, there is no threat that could make me feel different. actions, not words. joining us now is manuel all over. mr. oliver thank you so much for being here, we really appreciate it. thank you. you did a great job presenting which we did, i love it. thank you. tell me about change the ref and tell me about how you came up with this idea? we ll change the ref as a consequence of losing our beautiful son hakeem. hakeem love to play basketball, he was a great rider like you
advocates to literally face the consequences of their policies. they call those 3,000 empty seats the lost class. this advocacy group, change the ref, was founded by manuel and patricia oliver. in 20102018 their son joaquin was killed at marjory stoneman douglas high school in parkland, florida. joaquin was 17 years old. he was a great writer, an athlete, loved music. his father said today that he was not scared to pull off this sort of unbelievable piece of advocacy and honestly centrifuge. he said, quote, we need to show we re brave and we re not afraid of these guys. we ve already felt the worst possible situation. there s no threat that can make me feel different. actions, not words. joining us now is manuel oliver. mr. oliver, thank you so much for being here. i areally appreciate it. thank you. you did a great job presenting
and carol an former u.s. attorney and superior court judge who is now an msnbc contributor. well, i thought dan goldman did an excellent job presenting in a very calm, clear way what the case was. i was kind of oappalled that the republicans were talking past that case and to me most of what they were sta saying was diversionary. go back to where is it the whistleblower? whistleblower has nothing to do with it. we have all the evidence. bring all the witnesses it. the witnesses are the whistleblower and people that talked to the whistle blow, all of which are irrelevant at this point. and then they want to bring in hunter biden. that argument about hurnter biden is like other people did the same thing. biden stopped the investigation. so why aren t we looking at that? or why is president trump
that as being a license to go out and act on what he says, and he never takes any responsibility for it. i think that was one of the stronger points of what joe biden was saying, look, this is not just about talk at this point, right? we re seeing the dangers of this. we re seeing the threats he provides. this is what we talked initially about charlottesville. one thing i have to say, and i think this is really, really critical, one of the things joe biden captures in his speech and every single candidate has to understand this, his whole theme of the soul of american. i have said this before, nicolle, you can t win this election just talking about policy. you can t win this election just talking about why donald trump is a bad guy or why the republicans are obstructionists. this is about the soul of america. who we are, who do we want to be, and who can take us there? joe biden made the argument saying i m the one that can grab this flag and take us there, seems like a lot of american