2020 election results. so he might be an investigator but without bias? you decide. in case you need more proof, this constant barrage of i don t know what to call it can lead to violence. a reminder of what happened inside the united states capitol on january 6th. ensuring the american people know what led to that violence, a top priority for the congressional committee investigating the attack. we anticipate next year we will be conducting hearings, setting out for the american people in vivid color exactly what happened every minute of the day on january 6th and what led to that violent attack. joining me now ben collins, joan winebanks, cohost of the #sistersinlaw podcast.
favorite southerner. at least my favorite southerner who is on television with us right now. phil and jill are back. phil, all the lies, the lies, the lies, so many lies. are they finally starting to catch up with the president in the view of the people around the president? i mean, they are, john, but they ve been there from day one. this president has told so many falsehoods. such a difficult, fragile relationship to the truth that my colleagues at the washington post fact checked or had to create a whole new category this month. there is now the bottom list pinocchio which is for lies or falsehoods or misstatements that have been made so many times that it exceeds the normal count of pinocchios. and that s been awarded to trump. he s the only one who has received them. this is a problem for the president. it s something his aides and his outside advisers recognize. and it s becoming even more problematic from a legal standpoint because we now have the situation with the payoffs.
president s orbit, but also among republican allies on capitol hill that all of these investigations are intensifying and reaching a very uncomfortable phase for the president. that this is more serious than they thought. you know, the allegations that came forward out of this southern district of new york in the last week are really troubling for the president in part because it exposes his past statements as well as the past denials by white house spokespeople as outright lies. as falsehoods. the president has not been telling the truth about this, and that is catching up to him. and i interviewed a number of people close to this white house and in the white house in the last 24, 48 hours. and they are very concerned about the state of play. jill, i m going to ask you a question, at the end of this eventful week in which for a lot of people it felt like another in a series of weeks that felt like a turning point but this one maybe more so. on the basis of what you saw in
conspiracy, for how the tabloid could help suppress and cover up salacious stories about donald trump and women. joining us now from the washington post, the white house bureau chief phil rucker, joan winebanks, msnbc legal analyst and sporter of brilliant pins and with me at this table, katy tur plus, not quite one but close to another one who, of course, covered the trump campaign and reverend al sharpton, the host of politics nation and president of the national action network and emily jane fox, senior reporter with vanity fair and the person to whom michael cohen once said he d take a bullet for donald trump. phil rucker, you say along with your colleague that trump s falsehoods on the hush money payments are coming home to roost. and that people around the president are basically freaking out over what might come next. please tell us more. yeah, john, so there s a lot of concern within the
you re saying there are certain issues you can t get into because you re still cooperating with them? correct. and out of respect for process. a lot of respect for process. jill wine-banks, i ask you this question. this seems like an important thing. the southern district, people were not that happy with michael cohen s, the level of his cooperation. we also know that robert mueller was reportedly very happy and robert mueller is focused mostly on russia. is it possible that as much of a bombshell as this week has been, as much of a turning point as you think it is that, in fact, there s greater bombshells and greater turning points in some sense to come when we find out what michael cohen has turned over to the special counsel? there certainly is. we are all just speculating on everything that both cohen knows, that weisselberg has turned over and all the things that were in the safe at ami.