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ran the investigation. the explosion of the centering fuel tank they determined was an explosion that went lower than the speed of sound. anything faster than the speed of sound could the senator from come down from that explosion speed of sound could not have come down from this explosion. we had a full court press for months and months on that theory, but the reality was there s no evidence of a missile hitting the plane. either outside the plane, inside the plane, penetrating the plane. there is no evidence of it. steve: in this new documentary coming out, they have got this new radar information that was not available back then. also apparently there were 755 witnesses. the f.b.i. did not get any of their stories. a fellow named jim spear,
investigator for the airline pilots association, he said can you test this part of the wing for an explosion, for explosives. when it tested positive, he was physically removed, he says, by two c.i.a. agents. extraordinary. gretchen: yet another mystery and a lot of questions as many are wondering about a lot of other unsolved mysteries in our country. brian: straight ahead, the most powerful syrian rebels pledging their allegiance to al qaeda, so why are we now sending weapons? ambassador john bolton next. gretchen: a former underground member now teaching at columbia university. a fox investigation turning up a whole list of cons teaching your kids.
finished, we were required by american airlines and i retired and basically the investigation fell by the wayside. it was completed and many things were happening and basically up until this time i didn t think that speaking out publicly would have any effect. but i do believe now that we have got a synergy with hank hughes from the ntsb and jim spear from the airline pilots association. with our petition we filed with the ntsb the ball is in their court to respond to our concerns. martha: there are stunning instances of witnesses who were on the ground. one who i believe was on a plane flying alongside or near by. they say they saw something shooting up from the ground toward that plane that caused that impact. but there is another guy who
jimmy had the depth to do that range. gretchen: i ve read some reports about how he didn t really like the spotlight that much. he didn t necessarily like to be interviewed or maybe it was just his humility. but how did you see that part of him? did he have a big ego? no, no. that is exactly right about him. he always ran from the photographers and he ran from the interviewers. i think he had a very minimal ego for the status that he had. a lot of actors that have that kind of a status, you can t get near them because they are big shots. jim was a very, very humble guy. he didn t feel i don t think he felt like, that he should be treated that way. steve: i ve got a question for you, frank. when he was at one point the show had been on for a number of years. he made a lot of money.
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