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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20190922 09:13:00

needed to start with the story of her life. pamela had a spirit that was infectious she had a personality that sucked you in. we were neighbors and we did become best friends. every day we talked. that was long before jim came into the picture of course. good morning, baby desiree. first christmas. pam was a single mom. she and carol baby sat for each others kids, walked their babies together. went shopping. shared recipes and hung out during the holidays. pamela is very much family to me. pam was the most caring, loving, giving person you would ever meet. life was about other people. tina holland is another

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20190922 09:23:00

the market grew and so did the bottom line. pam s best friend. they went to gold shows, trade shows in las vegas, san diego, l.a., do all the meet and greet kind of thing. pamela was very good at that. she was very charming. jim was more the layed back, stay away, sit in a booth. the timing was good. in 2001 gold was hovering around $250 an oups ance and then star to take off like a rocket. by 2008, gold was listed at $800 an ounce. soon they were getting rich just off the fees they charged from selling the gold online. it doesn t take much to be able to turn a profit. every transaction, whether it s $100 or $2,000 or 100,000, if you re making anywhere from 3 to 5% per transaction, you have money coming in. very quickly, they started

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20190922 09:15:00

electrician named jim came into her life. he was single, no children. they seemed to get along very well. and it seemed to be a very good fit. but more importantly was that pam treated desiree as if she were his own. he came into our lives when i was about 6 years old. they started dating and slowly she started introducing this man to me and i grew attached to him. he actually did want to take on that responsibility and he was proud to do it. we actually got really close to

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20190922 09:07:00

deteriorated and now they were involved in a nasty high stakes divorce. it was also no secret that jim could not have committed the murder. when she was killed it was impossible that he was holding a knife because he was with his attorneys at that moment in the same building. he couldn t have gotten away from them long enough to get down to the parking garage and kill his wife. no. and also after she was murdered there was video footage that put him in the courtyard so it was impossible for him to be at two places at one time. that security video shows him trying to make a cell phone call at exactly the moment you see people reacting to pam s screams. not only that but a tall man wearing a black hooded sweatshirt clearly was not a description of jim. a woman murdered.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline 20190922 09:28:00

once you start that process, the feds can t touch you. carol says pam agreed. all she ever wanted was a legitimate company. that s all. you know? she just wanted to be on the up and up and she was going to tell jim even though they were separated. pam urged jim to apply for the licenses. he appears to have an addimently opposed to a move that would have opened the books to scrutiny by the federal government. pam decided she was not going to allow jim to roll the dice on their business. the business that let pam live the life she always wanted. pamela was a girl scout. she wanted to do it right. she knew they were making plenty of money. they were flush. they didn t need to worry about nickels and dimes here and there and she was also aware, i believe, that at some point the federal government was going to start looking very closely at

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