and so, so, love is the predominant thing. god is love, the scripture says. jesus displays how to do this. jesus warns religious leaders, strongly, that we must not use the scriptures to point our fingers at other people without letting the fingers point at us as well. larry: is that true in your opinion, bob? is that true? absolutely. yeah. i agree with that completely, larry. larry: why point a finger at jennifer? jennifer is in a position of great influence. a lot of people look to her life. i wouldn t want her example, or lifestyle the young teenage girl sitting in your congregation, gosh i might have to choose between my sexuality and my faith. you want her to choose faith. i do. i want you to choose faith. you want her to deny any part of her process to go through the process of shame without true
haggard, former pastor. a 2006 scandal destroyed ted s new life megachurch ministry, shocked the evangelical community to its core. all right, ted, you ve been listening. what are your comments and then we ll get into specifics. what do you think overall here of what we ve heard? yeah, i think both of them have some good points. i really appreciate what jennifer is saying and what she is going through. and i think her big premise is that she is on a journey just like every one of us are. she accepts that all of sin and falls short of the glory of god, that god is working in us, that we have his scriptures to work with, and it is true people read them differently and people interpret them differently. and the pastor has a point in saying it is his role as a pastor to try to be salt and light and represent the word the way it s read. i do think, though, that the important overall message is that we emphasize personal relationship with god.
know, am a homosexual and want to be accepted by the church and christianity that made me famous and gave me a platform of which a lot of people have looked to jennifer, as i did for many years, enjoy her music, went to her concerts, was a part of crusades that she was involved with, and yeah, i don t want people to think that it s right. larry: pastor, i ll have her respond and we ll let you talk it with each other. but a question that puzzles. you said choice, that she made a choice. did you make a choice for head sex heterosexuality. larry: i fell in love with a gal i was dating in san diego. larry: but you made a choice to date a girl. how did you know you liked women? how did you know? if she likes girls. yeah. larry: how did you know you didn t like boys romantically? how did you know you liked women? well, i just personally knew that first of all that i did.
we re joined now by pastor bob bostford, senior pastor horizon christian fellowship in san diego. thank you for coming, pastor. you wrote a blog about jennifer and want to read from it saying when a well-known spokesperson of the faith stubbornly chooses to remain in their life of sin, my heartbreaks for them. jennifer says she is finally happy she is in a committed loving eight-year relationship, and she is making music again. so why does your heartbreak for her? well, larry, it breaks for anyone who is caught in a sinful situation. and so i felt led to speak. we had a chance to meet a number of years ago briefly. i don t expect her to remember that. but i prayed for her for eight years now. larry: you feel sorry for her? i do. my heartbreaks for what the bible tells us about this particular choice and lifestyle.
the other was convicted of the drinking. the other was convict to have had smoking. and as they have gone through the years, just as the pastor described, they have all become different people as they grow. that s happening in jennifer s life, that s happening in the pastor s life. our role isn t just to call out one particular sin and say all these people are in trouble. our role is to say we re all in a process, and we need to encourage one another. so jennifer has a group of believers she meets with. they study the scripture. they can go on that. they can do that process. that process obviously is not going to be pastor bob s church. it will be another group of believers which is why we have a diversity of churches. larry: and on that note, let me get a break and come right back. don t go away. heel pressure. high arches. (announcer) people everywhere are discovering what s going on with their feet. dr. scholl s custom fit orthotic center. backed by foot care scientists, its foot