and but, each person had to be prepared the same way and delivered into that pit. i placed them down in and then i walked away. you literally walked away? you didn t watch them get shot? did you hear them scream? no, trina said ouch. i don t imagine that there was an awful lot of ambivalence that he focused on, sizing the situation, probably that he was proud and able to participate in this thing as he was asked to do. after lundgren delivers the final shot, he leaves ron luff and the other men to cover up the crime. did you assist then in burying the bodies. so you confirmed to the actual courts that you saw them?
as ron luff and his wife become more immeshed in the cult, they begin to lose sight of reality. luff is captivated by the teachings of the group s leader, jeffrey lundgren. and like all the group s members is a devoted follower. you haven t considered yourself a cult. in fact, i don t think the idea came into mind, the whole notion of a cult which i knew nothing about anyway. how many could would be in the group at the time. when did the requests of dictates become even more unorthodox, more, i guess, opposed to the traditional church? oh, it s hard to break down steps because there s so many of them. and they re gradual.
realize there s something unique about this guy. how many months before you became convinced he was? oh, it was probably about six or eight weeks. in six or eight weeks, you re convinced that he s got the answers, and he was in fact a prophet is what you re saying? sure. by this time, i was convinced he was the prophet. as luff quickly emerges himself further into the group, he begins to lose touch with the outside world. his days are dedicated to lundgren s teachings. his thoughts are fueled by lundgren s words. it s not over night, but over time, i m told it was a group thing where the thoughts and behavior continuously on a daily basis were reinforced by the fellow congregants or members. and it becomes very difficult to have independent thinking or judgment of thinking. coming up
saying, okay, you have to go to ohio to get it. i became convinced that we would have to move up there if we were really going to get the answers we were looking for. abruptly, he decides to move his family from missouri to ohio. the step, it was like a seduction, and people are awfully welcoming, they re awfully nonjudgmental, somebody looking for that attachment bigger than themselves finds the seduction very appealing. six weeks after moving to ohio, ron luff settles into his life with ease. the more time he spends with jeffrey lundgren, the more convinced this man will lead him into the path of salvation, a path ron luff is desperately seeking. when you talk about any critical event that takes place, the pieces come together at the
it takes crews two days to excavate two adults and three children. all five victims were found bound with duct tape and shot several times. during the excavation, police estimate the youngest victim to be 6 years old. there were three little kids, it s so tragic and so bad tos possess the human part of that, anybody who would carry a little girl to her death has to be a criminal mind. police quickly identify the victims as the avery family. they re also members of lundgren s group. i don t see how it could be much worse than you re talking about the murder of five family members, including three children. i don t see how it can be much more precocious, much worse and violent.