the results was illegal. but they pushed anyway. listen to former trump white house lawyer eric herschmann on his conversation with eastman. i said are you out of your effing mind. i was completely blunt. i said you re crazy, you re going to cause riots in the streets. and he said words to the effect of, there s been violence in the history of our country to protect the democracy or protect the republic. testimony revealed even after the capitol riot, eastman pushed for delay in certifying the election and later asked for a pardon. [ crowd chanting ] the committee also outlined just how close rioters were to the then vice president and pointed out that some of them had seen president trump s tweet at 2:24, saying that pence lacked courage. recent court filing by the department of justice explains the confidential informant from the proud boys told the fbi the proud boys would have killed mike pence if given a chance. some of those rioters came within just 40 feet of
situation where they say, judge, there s evidence that congress has, we don t have it, can you tub it over and the judge might dismiss those cases. i watched a really interesting conversation this morning on new day and jeff tuben said that the doj should not pursue a case against the former president for using his political influence, his office to try to overturn an election. what do you think? i thought that was the whole point of this. i had done the prior segment so i discussed this after, and i told him, first of all, doj has to take a look. there s no justification to say we re not even going to look. to me, if somebody used their official power to commit a crime, especially if the goal of the crime was to help that person stay in power, that s all the more reason they need to be investigated, and if the evidence is there, charged. ginny thomas, we just heard from manu there. you think this should be more than just an invitation to speak with the committee. call me hig
opinion, is a pretty staggering reflection of where we are when it comes to public perception in the supreme court. and, you know, jeff is right, anderson, i don t know what this how the supreme court recovers from this, both with regard to how much is going to galvanize opposition on the left and frustration on the left and hostility on the left. and just the optics and the politics of the leak and the fact this is a court that has historically kept its opinions incredibly close to the chest. and here we are weeks, months away from this final decision and we have a 98-page draft that looks like a draft opinion purporting to overrule these critical precedents. anderson, i can t recall an episode like this in the supreme court s history and not one in our lifetimes. senator davis, many conservative states have already been testing the waters and restricting access to abortion. what about states that want to
vote, much less an actual opinion, much less in a case of this significance. it s really going to be an interesting question, putting aside so much about what this means for the institution of the supreme court. you know, what it means for the respect that the justices and the court s decisions are held. the idea that a decision of this magnitude could leak is really a shattering experience for the justices and the court. and i really don t know how the institution is going to recover. steve, i m wondering what your initial reaction is to this overturning of precedent. anderson, i mean, it s an earthquake, and it s an earthquake for all the reasons that jeff was talking about, that you guy versus been talking about. it s an earthquake for what it portends for millions of american women, especially in
in those states that are led by republicans, we re already seeing them move to ban abortion. and notably, anderson, there are some states that have trigger laws that will go into effect the second that roe v. wade is overturned that will ban abortion. in fact, the governor of michigan, gretchen whitmer, has just filed a lawsuit to block a law from going into effect. there is a law in michigan that if roe v. wade is overturned, it will automatically be banned in michigan. jessica schneider, no doubt we ll be coming back to you as events warrant. joining us, jeffrey toobin, former texas state senator, wendy davis, and steve vladeck. jeff, you predicted this would happen. talk about the importance of this. well, i predicted it would happen, but i sure as hell