everybody. i thought one of the things that that democrats can and should point to just on the political level is that he makes very clear he sees no evidence in any of the conspiracy theories that rudy giuliani was pushing. just on the just basic facts of it about joe biden that would the suggestion that joe biden, you know, tried to get somebody fired, that hunter biden benefitted all of those things he says flatly in the interview under questioning from republicans, that s not true. it didn t happen and goes on to say not just that but this the goal of trying to push that instead of trying to help the bilateral relationship flourish was really really detrimental to national security. jeff, you know, the the idea that there has to be somebody who testifies that the president said hold up the aid because i want to get dirt on
women served the secretary of state and willing to take on the president when they thought he was wrong. i can think of george schultz during the reagan years. cy vance resigned during the carter years when he disgrood with the policy. where is the honor here. congressman connolly thank you. my pleasure. dan aire bash, cnn chief legal analyst jeffery toobin and david axelrod. former senior adviser to president obama. so, jeff, there was now a quid pro quo so remembered suddenly ambassador sondland. this is a big deal. connolly certainly thinks it is. do you think so. it s a very big deal. he was in the middle of the foreign policy. he was the point person that was established very early on in this process and the fact that he now acknowledges it is i think close to conclusive evidence of what happened here. you know, the issue of his changing testimony, a lot of people have been raising the
giuliani was operating there as far back as last february. absolutely. and what david axelrod just said is so key, because it does take away the argument on the time line and on well, even the ukrainians didn t complaint about it. but the other thing is it takes away any witness so far who was given a administration that says anything other than the fact that there was a quid pro quo. i want unanimous. right. and also i mean, jeff sondland is not a not a deep state actor for all those with the conspiracy theory who believe there is the deep state working against the president. he is the guy who gave a million dollars for the inaugural. the first thing you said on the program tonight was that the whole reason he is there is not because he is an expert in central central european politics. he is there as ambassadors frequently are rewards to big campaign contributors. he gave a million dollars which