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Former VP Mike Pence Must Testify Before Federal Grand Jury About Jan 6 Conversations With Donald Trump
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the d. c district court from the new chief judge, jeb boasberg. he also shot down donald trump s arguments that the conversation should be protected because of presidential secrecy. executive privilege so trump lost in this court fight and pence does have to testify about some of these things. but pence also got a little bit of a win himself in that this judge decided that mike pence as the vice president should have some protection about his around his work on january 6th when he says he was operating as somebody is part of congress as the vice president, the presiding officer over the senate, so he doesn t know necessarily have to testify about what happened on january 6th itself. but those crucial questions about what happened before that date and what happened between him and trump. this judge says he is going to have to share that. of course he could appeal, but this is a major ruling in the special counsel investigation. katelyn polantz this for jack
findings the judge boasberg made here is that pence must testify about interactions where donald trump may have been acting corruptly. and so if you work all those conversations he was having with the president at the time, trump was pressuring him to block the election results. he was calling him names, some of the witnesses have said. hence himself has talked a little bit about this in a book. he s written and publicly, but he hasn t testified before about exactly what happened and what was said in phone calls only between he and donald trump. and so that is what the investigators are seeking here. also i should note that pence did have a bit of a win in this in that he seems to have expanded some of the powers of the vice presidency. convincing the judge that he should have some protections of congress constitutional protections around him on january 6th whenever he was president of the senate, and ultimately beyond. and boris. i should really note that donald trump did argue to clo
trump. in the days leading up to january. 6th. that is, according to sources familiar with the recent court ruling that remains under seal. cnn s katelyn polantz joins us now she s part of the team that helped break the story. just a couple of hours ago. katelyn polantz through the details of this new order. well, we re still getting some details because this order is under seal , as all of these have been in recent weeks, but this is something that puts wind in the sails of the special counsel investigation. jack smith has been seeking vice president, former vice president mike pence s testimony sent him a subpoena calling him in before the grand jury. they went to court to try and fight over whether he was going to have to go whether he was going to have to answer questions and ultimately judged jeb boasberg of the d. c district court. he said. yes, pen. it s must testify. pence is going to have to testify specifically about conversations he had with donald trump. and we re hearing f
pence, citing executive privilege, and the judge said no to that, as he did in several other cases, or that this court has done in several cases in this investigation. katelyn polantz go in front of the grand jury. could he appeal this ruling as well? yeah well, he can appeal. of course, we don t have any indication that there was an appeal yet. this just came down yesterday. but evan perez here at cnn. he just did hear from a source that there isn t a date set yet for pence to go in to testify and also exactly how this would play out before the grand jury what questions they would ask and exactly what he would answer that still could be determined as well back to you. alright katelyn polantz. thank you so much for breaking this news for us. we appreciate it. we want to turn to developments on capitol hill today, where there was a tough grilling for some of the nation s top banking regulators on the sudden collapse and rescue of two banks, top
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