2020. it was undeniable. that s why jack smith and fani willis s cases are so critically important. if trump is the republican nominee next year, then the 2024 election will simply be about one thing, and one thing only. the future of our republic, and whether we can maintain it. two and a half years ago, american democracy came perilously close to succumbing to donald trump s autocratic demands, and if it weren t for one man, vice president mike pence, and his decision to certify the vote for joe biden, refusing to do as his boss ordered him to do, we might be in a very different place right now. for more on this, i m joined by the man who advised mike pence in this constitutional responsibilities, and duty. judge jay michael luttig. he s a former federal judge in the fourth circuit of appeals, and he s a friend of the show, good morning to you, judge. good morning, ali, glad to be here, thank you. judge, in response to the news regarding trump and this
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now at the center of the justice department s investigation into trump s handling of classified documents. why was another box containing classified classified materials discovered at mar-a-lago? after already happened? according to a new cnn report, the box containing the documents was found in december, it was moved from an office in palm beach to mar-a-lago, which explains why the fbi didn t find it during the searches. but prosecutors have continued asking why it wasn t given to the justice department earlier and what, if any role or knowledge, trump unselfish may have had about its movements. meanwhile, a former adviser to mike pence, jay michael luttig, is condemning pence s move to fight the special counsel subpoena regarding the classified documents matter.
on january six right in the opinion piece that pence s potential use of speech or debate defense, quote, we can expect the federal courts to make short fifth of this hail mary claim. and mr. pence does not have a chance in the world of winning his case in any federal court, and avoiding testifying before the grand jury. given what you just said, i suspect that you will agree with the conservative jurist s here. judge luttig has been very clear about this. it s not just judge luttig. everyone who has read the constitution, everyone who has read the precedents on the use of the speech debate clause, say that this is a very attenuated claim. it goes back to this broader question. what is the goal here? it is not just a hail mary, but something that stops the clock. runs the clock at while this is going. on jack smith has basically two years to get this done. less than two, years now. and this is just another tactics to slow down this investigation. then, melissa, there is giovana.
roles. vice president is arguing that served as to improvise over the electoral college. that should i think that is the most attenuated claim. we ve never seen the speech or debate clause being used with a former vice president, very attenuated. certainly provoking a legal challenge. something that would likely go to the supreme court. the executive privilege claim is a little more closer to the but it will be hard to exert executive privilege in your book that you are selling and promoting through the course of the book. so again, a lot of different tactics being used. here i think the real purpose of all of this is to slow down this investigation, and to delay. let s keep talking about the speech or debate clause, because notice conservative jurist jay michael luttig, who also advised pence on the electoral college, before the
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