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Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline Extra 20190930 04:38:00

decided to look into the death of todd s first wife in georgia. the more she dug, the more convinced she became that the previous wife s car crash was staged. the prosecutor now believed rachel s case was about more than one murder. but before she could make that argument to a jury, she would first have to convince the judge. here again is keith morrison. reporter: once, a long time ago, this part of california was the epicenter of the gold rush. back then, as legend has it, at least, there was no wait for justice. you committed a crime, the punishment was meted out then and there. but not now. for more than two years after the bloody confrontation in the winkler s nursery, todd waited in jail to be tried for her murder. and i just started just pacing around the house just saying, god, i just killed their mother.

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline Extra 20190930 04:39:00

reporter: for those two years, todd maintained, as he had from the very beginning, that he killed rachel only to save his own life, to save himself and his children. from jail, he and his family fought a losing battle with rachel s father, don hatfield, who won custody of those children. and here began atoning for the sins of his youth by devoting his life to three little kids, eva, ariel and alex. it was after all that that they held the trial. prosecutor lisette suder intended to portray todd as a manipulative and devious man who murdered not one wife but two. that is if she could persuade a california judge to allow an old georgia case to be dusted off and brought back to life. i felt confident that i had the law behind me on that. and i submitted my brief, and i

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline Extra 20190930 04:07:00

so what happened to her? the prosecutor would have to find out. and that s when she set out to follow a trail that led to a man in georgia and jar rold johnson, a judge now. but back in 1999 a rookie detective. it really shocked me i was getting a case in california. had you forgotten all about that case? no, sir. i actually over the years, i have thought about that case many times. the case, an auto accident in the fall of 99, an accident that killed the first mrs. winkler, kathy. my father called me that night and told me that kathy was no longer with us. reporter: what was that like for you? it hurts. it still hurts. reporter: so many years later, charles still smarts from the loss of his big sister

Transcripts for MSNBC Dateline Extra 20190930 04:33:00

well, we knew a lot more about todd winkler at this point. we knew a lot more about how he goes about getting what he wants. reporter: the more she learned about cathy winker s death the more it seemed to her that todd must have planned it all. just as the evidence here in california was telling her that the killing of rachel winkler more than a decade later was a case of history, todd winkler s history, repeating itself. but if she had some crusading idea of finding justice in that old case, and using it to solidify her own here in california, she d have persuade a judge, first. coming up disorder in the court. this is a case about a mastermind, a manipulator, a murderer. when deadly twist continues. .

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