until he has taken fateful and irrevocable steps such as attacking iran that would lead to a super power conflict. the war in ukraine offers con stance reminders that deterrence is far preferable to roll back, and, joe, the question is what that would take. well, i mean, i guess, bob, the question is what does this deterrence look like right now? how much has the world changed since the russian invasion of ukraine. when the chinese figured out the great russian war machine wasn t so great after all, and that their generals, every general in the chinese communist party has not fought a single battle. they are not battle tested and they don t they don t know if an invasion of taiwan would end as disastrously as putin s
have president xi saying we need the tolls of autocracy to compete and beat the united states in the war for being number one. yeah. i mean, this is like george cannon s article after world war ii. oh, my gosh. about the containment policy. joe, jump in. yeah, it s just crazy. we just saw china say good-bye to a leader that led china for a decade, just meteoric economic growth. we saw that was a trend line from 1979, when china opened relations with the united states through about five years ago. but peter baker, how remarkable that it s just one self-own after another self-own, driving away entrepreneurs. shattering hong kong s
think it s three dimensional chess, i don t think he knows. and marjorie taylor greene s participation on committees. what are they fighting for. to david s point, you have merrick garland and the department of justice, and i think he deserves and they deserve credit here, and i was speaking with a department of justice official a couple of weeks ago who described merrick garland as a quiet storm, somebody who builds. that is what he is doing. they went big with stewart rhodes. there are more seditionists, he has jack smith in charge, a guy prosecuting war criminals. this is a complete bad ass guy who is doing this, and they are doing serious work here. there s an identity crisis on the other side. that work won t stop, joe, so given that, isn t the opportunity for the republicans whether it s the right thing to do, whether they want to win or whether they just don t want to look stupid, sort of trying to investigate january 6th while
out of this balloon. we re watching finally, i think, the real deflation of the trump as a financial wizard, a political wizard, people are not as afraid of him as they were. you see that as a bipartisan group of members of congress last night, and it was a different feeling than i ve had in the last few years, people really willing to criticize him. people cringing a little bit more, even some republicans going, i just don t know if i need this anymore. willie. so let s turn to arizona. joe mentioned it a minute ago, kind of an astounding story. one county is delaying the certification of its midterm election results, which could have unintended consequences for republicans who won. cochise county refused to certify citing voter fraud without evidence. if the county does not certify its voted by december 8th, katie
americans. democrats make history with their new leader in the house, and while he s offering up bipartisanship, the republican hoping to become speaker seems more focused on politically motivated investigations. welcome back to morning joe. it is thursday, december 1st. katty kay is still with us. and joining the conversation, we have pulitzer prize winning associate editor of the washington post bob woodward. chief who s correspondent for the new york times, peter baker, and pulitzer prize winning columnist at the washington post, eugene robinson is with us. what a great group we have for this hour, and, joe, the dems are hoping to move forward and try and work with republicans with the new leadership. you could hear that. we ll see. yeah, i heard that. we ll see. you also heard him talk about a temporary majority, so, yeah, we ll see what happens. i m just curious, though, i want to start with bob woodward.