this breaking news, pete, but we re topping out the hour and i want to go back and lay out the the bare facts here. the arrest of the head of the oath keepers and a number of other rioters with seditious conspiracy, this suggests the doj is closing in on some of the people who they say were in fact organizing what happened on january ofth and leads us to suggest it was supposed to go even farther than it did. right, that s the key question after reading this indictment. it s one that we may have to wait for these trials to get an answer to, which is, was there a well-developed plan before these people came to washington to actually enter the capitol and try to stop the vote by intimidating members of congress right in the capitol while they were working. but the big news, as you say, stewart rhodes, the leader of the oath keepers, has been charged with seditious conspiracy. the interesting thing about that is that there were 19 other
investigations and complaints being filed, she s getting away with it. that is sort of the theme here, ruth. it s interesting to me that orbon has been secretive about it. it s different, a little less flagrant. a lot of stories come out of hungary that people are connected to or bon and the same way they connected to egypt and all sorts of businesses. this has always been an essential part of the authoritarian two step where they champion the woke. totally. i added the chapter on corruption to my book strongmen because it s essential to the whole authoritarian playbook. one of the most popular scams is the idea they were going to drain the swamp. they re pure individuals that are going to clean up corruption. drain the swamp was musolini s
advised this week, they were going to go directly to subpoena for people, individuals or entities who either have not been cooperative, they don t expect to be cooperative. obviously these four, they do not expect to be cooperative and that likely means litigation. the bigger thing for me, chris, is not that they re going straight to subpoenas, they re going straight to the critical witnesses. rather than in many investigations where you would start with lower level people and try to work your way up so you have a better sense of what the role is of the higher level people, but there s no time for that right now and they re anticipating litigation. yes. what you would ordinarily do on the back end, you re doing that on the front end so the litigation can play out while they continue to investigate through other entities, other individuals. we should say steve bannon has talked about his role in basically planning for january ofth, at least the rally part of
i heard someone scream i got one. as i was swarmed by a violent mob, they ripped off my badge. they seized the opportunity of my vulnerability, grabbed my gas mask and beat my head against the door. welcome back to the sunday show. the house committee investigating the january ofth attack kicked off with four police officers recounting their harrowing tales from the insurrection. as they detailed the multiple abuses they suffered at the hands of the trump mob, it was clear the irony not lost on them was carried out by the same people who often sensationalize support for them. the man sarcastically yelled here come the boys in blue so brave. i saw the symbol of thin blue line flag being carried by the terrorists as they continued to
congressman kinsinger are very vocal in criticism of the former president. thaur both republicans. i would have said in good standing. clearly with this current republican party they are not in good standing. do you think compromising the committee exclusively with democrats and the few republicans who broke with the former president, i mean zshgs that undermine its effectiveness? certainly among the republicans out in the country? i think it s effectiveness will depend on its integrity and its seeking the truth as vigorously as possible. and then speaking the truth. i m encouraged by the selection of the staff director david buckley, a trained experienced law enforcement professional, former inspector general for the cia. i think it s work product is the basis for judging it. and i continue to be haunted by what i saw in and heard on january ofth.