hearing, which is that he and his team are asking witnesses commit before either his team or the grand jury about this meeting. there were a lot of chaotic meetings and the trump white house. this one was described is probably the most chaotic, the most unhinged, and it happened about six weeks after trump lost the election. it was an oval office meeting where the advisers from outside the white house were essential going off against the actual attorneys inside the white house about this plan for him to seize voting machines with the military, basically to go back and recount the votes in the state, redo the votes and the states that he had lost. and jack smith is asking people about this, his team is. they ve been asking witnesses months ago about it but also asking people recently about it, including rudy giuliani, who we learned one before his team for a voluntary shutdown last month. i am told it was back to back, two days, about eight hours or so. he was asked about several topics
i don t think people voluntarily go into plead the fifth. the assumption would beat that he was asked about multiple topics, we know including this. we don t know the extent to what he said. we asked s attorney robert costello to comment on this. he declined, as the attorneys for sydney powell, mike flynn. i do think it raises a question because rudy giuliani was a witness to everything that happened and that meeting that was so chaotic, but i also think to l.a. s point, as everyone plays the guessing game of what is going to happen with the culmination of this investigation, because it does appear that we re nearing the end of it. we don t know that. we don t know who could be charged ultimately, if anyone. a lot of the focus recently has been on this fake elector scheme. this would not be about the. this would be about the efforts of the sydney powell, the john eastman s, patrick burns, mike flynn s, welty officials around for other issues, and to what they were doing, not just the f
and who is it that they are focusing on, the participants in the meeting? rudy giuliani, obviously? rudy giuliani was somebody that was there. he was called into the meeting after it was underway. sydney powell, the attorney that you saw at the press conferences with rudy in the aftermath of that. also patrick byrne, the former ceo for stock.com, and mike flynn, the former national security advisor. they were the people who got into the oval office for the meeting, and then you saw the trump attorneys and white house attorneys come in to talk about this, and it was essentially this insane meeting. people were yelling, people were screaming. there was testimony at the january 6th hearings about the meetings. yes, eric herschmann is probably depressant most color fully described it and it was essentially talking about how nuts it was. i think what you heard from the attorneys who worked for the white house is that there were so frustrated about the idea, that they were pushing so
previewing what tomorrow s january 6th meeting will be about. let s hear part of what he is talking about, we will talk about it on the other side. we will also be considering what is the appropriate remedy for members of congress who ignore a congressional subpoena, as well as the evidence that was so pertinent to our investigation, and why we wanted to bring them in. so, since you are the only congressman here on this panel, and on this set, what should happen to those members of congress who were given lawful subpoenas by the january six committee, and they ignored him number one, and number two, what should happen to the members of congress if they get a criminal referral sent to doj about their conduct? people like that should not even be serving in the united states congress to begin with. it used to be members with respect subpoenas. unfortunately, the only remedy is you must enforce them in the
be sure to watch our coverage of the january 6th meeting tomorrow. at eight eastern, a recap special with rachel maddow, leaving our coverage all right here on msnbc and streaming on peacock as well. house republicans have not been shy about their plans to use their newfound majority to go investigations crazy from hunter biden and the january six committee itself. democrats in the senate are gearing up to launch their own probes with their soon to be 51 seat majority, giving them critical subpoena power. politico congressional reporter jordan carrion joins me with more on this. good to talk to you on this. you are right about the possible investigations that some democrats are willing to launch. we re talking about drug pricing. even jared kushner s business dealings, interestingly enough, are related to the picture we just saw earlier. jared kushner is that is in qatar watching the world cup finals alongside qatari officials. all that aside, how are they likely to get this thing of