if you take it at face value, things could get bad for trump and his team quickly. i mean, just on the secret service thing. the question, she just testified what she heard from ornoto, not whether or not she saw it, but i take your point on that. what do you make of donald trump s complaint, saying his side of the story isn t being told in these hearings. it s not, and at one level that s fair. at the other level, you have to look at him and say okay, that s fine. send in the people who can tell your side of the story. let s let mark meadows testify or trump ask him to testify. what about peter navarro, what about steve bannon? at some point, i think the committee is going to ask for pat cipollone s testimony. will they defend the president or corroborate what cassidy said yesterday. my guess is many of them probably take the fifth. but the opportunity is there. it s not a fair hearing, it s a political hearing. i get that, but it s hard to say your side is not getting out
pool as far as i m concerned. i think it s significant. i think, you know, people want to talk about criminal referrals and criminal prosecutions and all that. i think that there are so many thorny issues involved with that. keeping sights on the fact that just making anathematizing him as a political force in the republican party would be a monumental victory by my likes. the issue now is, people are trying to they re attacking cassidy hutchinson. they re raising some perfectly legitimate questions about her testimony, but the key thing is, her testimony was under oath. and all of the people who are complaining starting with donald trump that the other side hasn t gotten a fair hearing, that s a fair criticism of the committee, although it was republicans who didn t want to have a real committee. the people who could rebut with facts are the ones pleading the fifth and defying subpoenas. so the only way to actually engage this now is to get people
capitol anyway. that was stunning to me. i have been defending the president over the course of the last year, even though i quit my job over the way he conducted himself during the riot, i never really thought until yesterday that he was even capable of inciting the riot. but if he knew those weapons were there and said they re not here for me, let s go down to the capitol. that is problematic for the president. if there s a direct line from the proud boys, oath keepers, right wing extremist groups into the white house, that s a problem for the president, and cassidy hutchinson mentioned yesterday for the first time that mark meadows was in knhunication with those folks. and finally, if there s really witness tampering which is i don t think something that is getting nearly as much attention. it came very late in the hearing yesterday, but if there is really witness tampering by trump or someone in his inner circle, that s a serious problem. again, it was the first time we have heard
starting to emerge in the areas where trump has enjoyed traditional support. but the maga base still standing by trump as of right now. melanie zanona, thanks so much. aides to former president trump say they were left speechless by cassidy hutchinson s testimony. some former members of the trump administration are weighing in, including mick mulvaney, who writes in an op-ed for usa today, quote, after some of the bombshells that got dropped in the hearing, my guess that things could get very dark for the former president, unquote, and mick mulvaney joins us now. he served as envoy to northern ireland but he resigned from the post in the wake of the cop tom attack. when you say things could get dark for donald trump, what do you mean? well, jake, there s really interesting revelations. again, if you take what cassidy hutchinson said at face value, then donald trump knew that the protesters had weapons. and encouraged them to go to the