trial after a revealing court hearing. prosecutors arguing that the air national guardsman is a dangerous flight risk with a history of violent threats. also tonight, more powerful testimony by trump accuser e. jean carroll. under heated cross-examination she told the former president s lawyer, and i m quoting here now, i m telling you, he raped me. whether i screamed or not. as for trump, he s campaigning in new hampshire tonight amid an escalating war of words with likely gop rival ron desantis. this as desantis is turning his fire at the walt disney corporation, blasting the company s new lawsuit against him as political. welcome to our viewers here in the united states and around the world. i m wolf blitzer. you re in the situation room. tonight, the accused pentagon leaker is behind bars as a judge decides whether he ll stay there in the leadup to his trial. prosecutors revealing very disturbing new details about the suspect and their case as they argued he should
dobld donald trump, though, wanted to block pence from coming into the grand jury and testifying more about those calls if there were other things he may not have said before in his book. big picture how does vice president pence fit into the overall federal criminal investigation of trump? how much weight does pence actually carry as a witness? you kno wolf, no more weight than any other witness. because it s all evidence. and even if that s frankly a janitor or cleaning person that overheard conversations that s still evidence that s going to be credited if they re being honest and forthcoming at trial. mike pence would have been privy to i in number of high-profile communications with the president. and for this reason it s probably quite significant testimony. for that but to be clear it s still it s all in the bucket of evidence generally.
time, should have been protected. the courts rejected that. and we did finally get an order last night from an appeals court saying no, donald trump, we are going to be rejecting any emergency help you re trying to get to block mike pence from coming in to court. that s why we re seeing pence being ushered in here under the privacy of much security. he with didn t physically see him at all at the courthouse today. we didn t even see many of his lawyers here. you with that is why he would have been coming in so quickly that to do that. to testify under oath. one of the things that s so interesting too about this, wolf-s when pence was fighting this he just didn t want to have to divulge to the grand jury. he had already very publicly spoke benn a lot of these conversations. he was just fighting not to have to come in and testify about moments that we know from his book, where donald trump called him a wim wip, other phone call between him and the president before january 6th.
republican on capitol hill who was behind some of this effort to try and sow doubt in the 2020 election. they re still in court, in the same court fighting appeals over whether the justice department will be able to get access to his cell phone and pursue that angle of the investigation. we also have ticked off a list of all kinds of people that donald trump has tried to block going into the grand jury. many of those people we now have seen or we have confirmed that they have testified but there was one i don t believe anyone has confirmed and that is the chief of staff to donald trump, mark meadows, a crucial person that the january house select committee, january 6th select committee on capitol hill really wanted to get information from and it was never clear that he shared any more than the text messages he initially provided to them. and we don t know just how far the justice department has been able to get information from
he clearly doesn t merit the trust that would be required to let him out on bail. i wouldn t trust his family as well. and a foreign agent, many, many actors would be willing to pay a lot and go through a lot of hoops to get him out of the country or help him to get out of the country. so he s a flight risk and he s not reliable. all right. important points indeed. guys, thank you very, very much. we re getting some brecking news into the situation room right now. want to go straight to our senior crime and justice correspondent kaitlan polantz. she s getting new information. what are you learning, kaitlyn? well, wolf, first on cnn, sources are telling me today that former vice president mike pence testified to the january 6th federal criminal grand jury looking at donald trump and other possible crimes around the 2020 election. he was here at this courthouse all day today. we had a whole team trying to do reporting on this today. and our team did notice unusual security happenin