it s totally possible. what we do know is that for a lot of these people, the internet is their real life. right? a lot of these militias organize on the internet exclusively. they don t meet up in real life. the first time they meet up in real life is at the rally that they re at or the protest that they re at. that is certainly true of the proud boys and oath keep here s never met each other until january 6th. they used to go to the same rallies. they never really organized until january 5th of 2021. so yeah. i wish i was in some sort of, if i were a mystic that could stop it from happening. this is why i keep saying over and over again, it feels like we re on the cusp of something because who knows what happens after this? and we have in the past seen people take those reactions online and take them into real life as we saw on january 6th. we ve seen smaller instances around the country. what are you concerned about right now? can you tell us that the authorities can take any acti
show the process by which mike pence concluded he did not have this power and how that played out in donald trump s mind and how donald trump used that to gin up and exacerbate what was already a dangerous situation. and kyle, as we noted before, nbc news got a hold of some of the brand new audio recordings of the book this shall not pass . it include audio, debbie lessko of arizona. she s a trump conservative and raised concerns the day before january 6th, january 5th of 2021, here s what she says. listen. i m actually very concern about this because we have who knows how many hundreds of thousands of people coming here. we have antifa. we also have, quite honestly, trump supporters who actually believe that we are going to overturn the election, and when that doesn t happen, most likely
hour on ayman, new details on that fears mike pence s team have on the safety before the insurrection. i will speak to congresswoman jackie speier in a moment. plus, the house republican that has been forced to quit over his support for gun control in this country. then, reefer madness, the gop will blame anything and everyone but guns for our mass shooting epidemic. i am ayman mohyeldin, let s get started. we begin this hour with a stunning report from the new york times about the security risk to vice president mike pence ahead of the capital insurrection. back on january 5th of 2021, pence then chief of staff delivered an urgent warning to the head of the security detail, saying in part, quote, that the
not for many really good reporting, because he actually told us, here on msnbc, without a subpoena, we don t have subpoenas on msnbc. we actually book guests and ask them to come on our show. but the fact is, he s willing to fight his subpoena in court, to risk jail time, to avoid speaking to the committee, after talking to anyone who would listen about this green bay sweep thing. which begs the question, is there more about which the committee wants to talk to peter navarro, because we all know this part of the story. less than a week until the january 6th committee holds its first primetime televised hearing, this is not the only big january 6th development today. the new york times is reporting that on january 5th of 2021, with tension brewing in the white house, over vice president mike pence s refusal to go along with navarro and bannon and whoever else s plan pence s chief of staff, a man
second look. that conversation went on for a while, by the way. so that s what we know that navarro was up to in the lead up to january 6th. not for many really good reporting, because he actually told us, here on msnbc, without a subpoena, we don t have subpoenas on msnbc. we actually book guests and ask them to come on our show. but the fact is, he s willing to fight his subpoena in court, to risk jail time, to avoid speaking to the committee, after talking to anyone who would listen about this green bay sweep thing. which begs the question, is there more about which the committee wants to talk to peter navarro, because we all know this part of the story. less than a week until the january 6th committee holds its first primetime televised hearing, this is not the only big generally sixth development today. the new york times is reporting that on january 5th of 2021, with tension brewing in the white house, over vice president mike pence s refusal