giuliani doing this. there were members, mr. volker and mr. sundland were vofrinvol and so much so they were jamming ukrainians putting it on the record. no, you have to say it on the record and you can tell the ukrainians are pulling back and say well, maybe you should say on the record that we get the oval office meeting before we do that. that s a quid pro quo being negotiated. i find it deeply troubling. a, the president did it and b, he had a lot of help here. you are a formal diplomat, have you been asked to do anything like this? no, i worked five years for president obama. we did quid pro quos to defend and advance american national interests all the time. that s part of diplomacy but never was i asked to do a personal favor from president obama on anything led alone helping him on reelection of his campaign.
caldwell. what have you learned? reporter: this is the first they were hearing about the plan of what he was going to say. what we learned. a couple of points here. he says he was concerned that the president of the united states was being said a narrative and a negative narrative about ukraine. the second thing he says is he said that he constantly reminded the ukrainians, the rudy giuliani is a private citizen that you don t have to take the advice of rudy giuliani and finally he said that he warns the ukrainians to not get involved in the 2020 election, steph. based on the documents, how exactly do you think volker may be trying to distance himself from the administration? yes, he went in there to try to be transparent as possible but also try to remove himself as much as possible from the