continue. no doubt the economy has taken a massive hit over the past few months, kylie atwood, thank you. of course there was the closing here in kyiv of the u.s. embassy in the last 24 hours. joining us to discuss all the developments, david gergen, former presidential adviser to nixon, ford, reagan and clinton and retired major general james sp spider marks. good to have you both on. general marks, i wonder if i could begin with you, you ve been a russia watcher for some time, we have seen russia play this game before, ratchet up the forces, ratchet down, perhaps only to see them ratchet it up again. what would we have to see for this to be a genuine de-escalation, a genuine withdraw or partial withdraw of the forces it now has arranged around ukraine. thanks, jim. great question. what would have to happen clearly is it has got to be very overt, our intelligence capabilities must be able to detect and assess what that