Started in this program and give us a moment or two to be the at milan. Ood guide sure. I was at the first meeting that marion told you to convene about starting this department. I was someone sitting around a table with a bunch of smart people in the food world. There wasnt really a food world back then. Just people working with food. Thinking about what a program could be was amazing. I thought i have to sign up. And started the following year and applied as a phd candidate. The thing that was so exciting about that at the time was i was the food geek would be competing on television with a junior chefs show and i was always interested in food but not something that a middleclass jewish kid could do with this his head held high. I dont regret not being a chef. The idea that there would be an Academic Program that would look at food which was more akin to how i personally integrate the idea of food into my life which is that it is a cultural phenomenon, their experts and artists and i