when the government of russia. but we have now are pleased to blank the fbi by two people, clinton campaign staffer. we have paul manafort indicted for crimes unrelated to the investigation. so here s the critical fact. the only crimes that are out there pay because of the investigation. that is to say, before the investigation, these crimes would not have existed. you re saying a of potential lying to the fbi, perjury, description, altering of evidence, obstruction of justice, conspiracy to obstruct justice, you could be indicted on all those crimes if the fbi were investigating your christmas list. that is something fundamentally wrong and goes to the point we discussed earlier about the criminalization of politics. this is very dangerous. harris: can i just talk about kind of the confliction if you will of facts with dianne feinstein? at first, democrats wanted james
office. i haven t proven that present trump has done that. it s a very, very serious charge that will rip the come country apart at the seams and we haven t seen that yet. democrats have to start acting as though we have. harris: the other issue here is that by firing james comey one that s how we got the special counsel robert mueller and last i checked, the democrats were happy because i thought that this guy was a guy who could get to the truth. gillian: to me, all this stuff, we know in the investigation right now is that general flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi. so the next question becomes what did he lie about? we now know that he lied about his interactions with the russian government. that is the crux of the problem. we know that there s two cruxes, let me just what i said. there s the fact that he lied, but there s also what he lied about in the content of the conversations that he had with the russian government.
the interview with clinton back in july just three days before that fbi director james comey announced he was not recommending any charges against hillary clinton. president trump suggested this morning there s a double standard. hillary clinton lied many times to the fbi. nothing happened to her. flynn lied, and they destroyed his life. i think it s a shame. hillary clinton on the fourth of july weekend went to the fbi not under oath. it was the most incredible thing anyone s ever seen. if she lied many times. nothing happened to her. flynn lied, and it s like they ruin his life. very unfair. harris: the latest revelations raising questions for several lawmakers including republican congressman peter king of new york. this raises very real questions about the for the clinton investigation. but he who was so high up on it and that investigation who was involved in this final statement in making decisions, the fact that he was so anti-trump is
no senator dianne feinstein of california says the judiciary committee is taking a closer look to building a case against president trump over russia. watch. i think what will be getting to see is the putting together of the case of obstruction of justice. i think we see this in the indictments, the four indictments and please that have just taken place in some of the comments that have been made. i see this most importantly in what happened with the firing of director comey. it is my belief that that is directly because he did not agree to lift the cloud of the russian investigation. that s obstruction of justice. harris: you agree with that? john: this shows what s fundamentally wrong with the whole concept of these independent councils. we have yet to hear a shred of evidence of any legal action involving the trump campaign
the former fbi director had written maybe not his conclusion, but his thoughts on it. it doesn t look good. harris: i m not saying that s why but it s in the constellation of events. kennedy: look look at the influence that one person you have on the investigation. he was lead investigator. he is also someone that, now there were questions about how we know these things and how much the government spying on himself but also some of these text that went back and forth they were anti-trump from this agent and his mistress who at also worked at the fbi. john: because there was a central element to this investigation that is particular information was at the center of which is is there a requirement for criminal intent in the handling of the emails? i think it s clear that gross negligence was sufficient. this guy concluded it wasn t and persuaded comey of it. gillian: didn t give them to the attorneys to look at tha