0 guy running across the parking lot, military style with a shotgun, long gun, a shotgun, dodging between the cars. the key in these school shootings to save lives is a quick 911 call. the police arrive. they arrive three to five minutes away like they did in newtown. the quicker the notice to police, the quicker the school can be locked. the quicker the students can move to safety. the quicker they can barricade inside. don t wait until the guy is shooting in the door for your first notice. the custodian, really by radioing in, seeing that, was critical in this case and we probably averted a mass killing because he had the same gun the navy yard shooter had which is a shotgun. joining me now is melissa harris perry. melissa, as a mother, what can you tell us when you see the pictures, and one year later after sandy hook, another school, another scene which students are walking out with their hands up. as a mother, and i nknow you rea sad thing is, we practice this and we hear this o
time, getting in and outside of that car, she had a lot of snap decisions to make, and i m not sure i would have made any one of them differently. james cavanaugh, there s a lot of good cops out there, great cops who would have known how to handle this situation with this mother under these circumstances, and they know they have plenty of discretion about how to handle this situation, and the great cops also known what s at stake here. and what s at stake is a vehicle that was going 71 miles an hour in a 55-mile-an-hour zone. that was the legal issue that was at stake. nothing bigger than that, and that wasn t worth breaking any windows or firing any shots. exactly right, lawrence. and the officer verbally is escalating this thing from the beginning. he s talking down to miss ferrell. he s sort of giving her options and do this or do that. and he just constantly escalates it verbally. then he tries to arrest her,
please don t [ screaming and crying ] get back! get back! sir, sir! please! [ screaming ] no! no! no! get on the ground! get on the ground! get on the ground! get on the ground! [ screaming ] get on the ground! get out! get out right now! get out! get them out. open the [ bleep ] door! open the door! open the door! [ screaming ] [ gunshots ] joining me now, msnbc analyst jamescavanaugh, who is a
looming history. this was the road that many people took out of the south driving to california, driving to, you know, washington state, when they were leaving the old slave south in terms of the new african-american migration that happened from around 1905 from around 1950. this was a this road has a lot of history. and part of that history is how you conduct yourself if you are stopped by an officer. keep your hands on the wheel. say, yes, sir, no, sir. if you re a minor, you say, will you call my parents. there s a way people of color conduct themselves when they meet law enforcement, because they want to make it home safely and on time. and you know, not come of any harm. unfortunately, you know, this mom, you know, had some other issues to have to grapple, and having six children, not all of which she could control at one time, getting in and outside of that car, she had a lot of snap decisions to make, and i m not sure i would have made any one of them differently. james cava
retired atf agent and a former hostage negotiator for the atf. also joining us, msnbc contributor, goldie taylor. james cavanaugh, you know, i said as soon as i saw that, that that was a violation of the deadly force rule, and i didn t have to see new mexico s deadly force rule, which they were withholding from me for a couple of days, because the supreme court in 1985 ruled that shooting illegal. that they made it finally illegal in all 50 states, police deadly force rules had to comply with the supreme court finding that you do not have any legal authority to shoot at fleeing suspects. and that is what we were watching there, wasn t it? and every police commander in the country would agree with you, lawrence. it s a bad shoot, and just from looking at the video. he should have never even broke leather, that officer. there was no reason to break leather in this situation. goldie, it seems to me that that police officer and the