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Hierarchy. Reporter he blames strict adherence to ideology for the decline, but says that can change. What do you think it would change for the Catholic Church to be able to reconnect with americans . They need to meet americans where they are. We are a very secular society. And so if the church can figure out a way to help people understand how a spiritual journey and a Faith Community can really make ones life more rich and meaningful, that i think is also part of the story. And Nikki Battiste joins us now. Nikki, so many of the people we spoke with thought that pope francis has been much more inclusive. What did you learn . Reporter the feeling is very much the same here in the u. S. Pope francis has made a concerted effort to soften the message of the Catholic Church. Its a church that has angerered some of more conservative followers, but its part of a plan to make all feel welcome. Norah . We also asked him about those conservative bishops. Youll hear than later. Nikki battiste,

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