abused by donald trump. martha: we have another one that we re going to do. stand by. let s go to bryan llenas. bryan, on the defamation charge, what can you tell us? this jury has found that former president trump did defame e. jean carroll. they have found him liable for defamation and they say that he must pay $2 million to e. jean carroll for the battery charge. no word yet on how much they have allotted in terms of the defamation charge. remember, this defamation charge was about those they have the burden of proof for defamation is that it had to be clear and convincing that the statements made about e. jean carroll were not only false but they were done thatliciously and out of hatred, ill will, spite or recklessness. he s liable for defamation. they have said that former president trump should pay e. jean carroll $2 million for the battery charge. martha: so at least $2 million, andy, is the verdict in this case. we know the former president has
sexually abusing and forcibly touching e. jean carroll back in 1996. that is what the we have thus far, guys. martha: all right. do we have andy mccarthy here too, guys? let s go to andy mccarthy. we have all been through the circumstances of what she alleged happened in this dressing room. now we re being told that the nine jurors in this case, which is a civil case, a financial case, have come back with a verdict of no to the rape charge. yes to battery and abuse and forcible touching. so they have come back with a belief that her story, that they believed her story. not only that, march that i think we can already conclude that probable the most important evidence in the case turns out to be the two other women that the judge allowed to testify who claimed that they were sexually
likely never be seen again. the fact is that donald trump has weathered these storms before. our politics are so deeply divided and the separation is so complete that people remain in these echo chambers. i m not so sure how this will play out politically but legally it will be difficult for the former president to make this cat walk backwards on appeal to see if he can reverse what the jury has done here. martha: yeah, still a lot to come here. we re waiting for the parties to walk out and make a statement. you can see the microphones are at the ready in this new york courtroom outside the new york courthouse. we ll go to that when it gets underway. i wonder what your thoughts are on the president s representation. joe tacopina represented him in the stormy daniels case and in this case. one of the things he argued is that miss carol s memory of this
evidence. so it s easier to prove in a civil matter. sandra: okay. good to see you, garrett. dagen, thank you as well. that does it for us. we ll hand it off to the next hour and they ll get the verdict. john: it does with former president trump on truth social. i m john roberts. the story continues with martha maccallum. martha: big breaking news. we wait for the verdict which has now been reached in the civil suit against the former president, donald trump. we expect it will be read any moment from now in this civil case, writer e. jean carroll has accused the former president of rape and battery saying that he attacked here in the bergdoff goodman dressing room. she wrote about it and she says
lower than a criminal case. you must proved beyond a reasonable doubt in this case. the only thing they have to do is convince the jury that e. jean carroll said the events more than likely did occur. this is coming at a time when we had closing arguments just yesterday. in those closing arguments, trump s attorney called e. jean carroll s accusation an unbelievable work of fiction mirroring a 2012 episode of law and order s.u.v. that detailed the same exact scenario. carroll never filed a police report, she does not know the exact date or even year that this alleged rape happened and he accused carroll of colluding with her friends to create this