he will not appeal a judge ruling ordering him to testify before the special counsel jac smith s january 6th grand jury joining me now is neil - former acting solicitor genera of the united states saunders professor a georgetown university. and an msnbc legal analyst welcome back to the sunday show what would he want to lear from the former vice president if you are special counsel jac smith. first of all, i think jonathan this whole question o pence s arising in a uniqu historical moment. for the first time ever in our history, a former president ha been arrested. that s happened in a separat investigation in new york. i do think that changes a lo of the dynamics. it wasn t a surprise to me t see pence say i ve bee asserting these privileges i the past which are reall bogus. executive privilege. speech and debate immunity
be building in that, and jac smith seems to be building a mar-a-lago it appears to be centered around that now. you know, it was always hard t know exactly what the theory o the case would be. and we weren t sure exactly, was it just retention of classified documents, was that trump gave a directive t somebody to do something it now appears, based off th reporting that s out there that they re really centered o the activity that happens afte the receipt of the subpoena. and anything in after that basically may. and certainly, evan corcoran trump s attorney, providing al that information that turns ou to be false. it gets turned over to the doj that appears to be, i think, a critical juncture and time period to both keep an eye on. i mean, if i m donald trump and i m looking around the room, and secret service agents ar testifying, is being schlepped back into talk, and evan corcoran, you personal attorney is now, that attorney client privilege ha been pierced - it s just such a
not to do something, publi opinion turning against him, you know, the examples are endless. nothing stopped him. so will this change hi behavior his demeanor his conduct? his approach we will soon find out our panel is going to stic with us. coming up by trump in the mar-a-lago documents case what it could mean for jac smith s investigation. and later, congressman ted lie and ted miller are here on the politics of the indictment but they ll be weighing in on th big gun violence protest i nashville. the 11th hour just getting underway on a very important monday night hawaii was too expensive so i brought it here. you know with priceline you could actually take that trip for less than all this. i made a horrible mistake. go to your happy price priceline
opinion turning against him, you know, the examples are endless. nothing stopped him. so will this change hi behavior his demeanor his conduct? his approach we will soon find out our panel is going to stic with us. coming up by trump in the mar-a-lago documents case what it could mean for jac smith s investigation. and later, congressman ted lie and ted miller are here on the politics of the indictment but they ll be weighing in on th big gun violence protest i nashville. the 11th hour just getting underway on a very important monday night
jack smith. he is running tw investigations that are very different in nature. one has t do with the oddity of keepin classified materials i mar-a-lago and the other o course is the much large investigation into january 6th and what he has done has bee to work his way up the totem pole here of witnesses and now he sits with the vice presiden getting testimony about what was going on in very, very confidential situations within the white house walls. i think at that point, once he has all of that evidence, he has to si down and merrick garland has t sit down and they have got t make really, really toug decisions here about whether either of those cases are goin to be brought, and there are reasons to bring either one of them, or not bring either on of them. that is going to be a really tough call for both jac smith and merrick garland. all right, former congresswoman donna edwards, thank you all so much. greatly