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go to local raymond james or merrill lynch they won t know. ask them to find out and come back with you. they will be surprised what they find. steve: surprised investing in woke companies, anson, what do we do with the money. it s not excluding those companies. that s part of the problem. exclude. let the black rocks, van guards continue to push progressive values. find investment manager that is going to maximize the value of those companies by asking them to be americratic. more customer centric and not advance certain social or political goals but actually to focus on the customer and creating great products for customers. now asset managers out there looking at investing into companies that are going to maximize returns. steve: which is had what you guys are doing. i m sure you have got all this on your strive asset management

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