wanting to make your life difficult, so why do we think it is being made so difficult? deborah, what s your view of that? i would say that the work we do at cdn is very much research based. we look at evidence and we have done surveys and our work and other people s work show is there is a great level of ignorance and a level of fear so instead of embracing that in finding ways to talk about that honestly and openly, people ignore it and pretend it s not happening, so if you don t employ a disabled person, then you haven t got to have a conversation about disability. sorry to interrupt, but the word fear there. itjumped out at me. help me understand more what you mean about that and i d be interested to hear more from the other three as well. does the issue of fear come into this? i think fear is interesting, because it is not a word. it s a word that has come out of our research from within the industry that