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Transcripts for MSNBC Alex Wagner Tonight 20240604 01:16:00

they have said that it wasn filed. it doesn t, in this case necessarily matter it was filed with the ta authority, the reason why, there s a books and record violation that they have, they show that they conspired on th books and records to disguis it as a tax payment. the hope here, we ve got the misdemeanor, the tax falsification business records and then where it goes fro there, you can potentially elevate that two felony, simpl because of the conspirac intent the intent, to defraud is enough that they don t actuall need to do it. we don t see any evidence, i think the most powerfu statement that there is, was never filed with the tax authorities, alvin bragg did not say it we later down the road we re not gonna say it s never gonna happen strong evidence to suggest i think the reason, one of the reasons maybe why, they had an accountant at the ta organization, somebody came in an outside firm, that was lawyer, morgan lewis, a la

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Transcripts for MSNBC Alex Wagner Tonight 20240604 01:14:00

with the new york state ta authority. that s a crime to file a false instrument it s a fancy way of saying filing a false document. that contains false information. if you read the statement of facts, and i think da brag glossed over it a little bit i his press conference, and then there was miss characterizations of tax, it was the not that complicated the hundred $30,000 that was reimbursed to michael cohe that he gave to stormy daniels he was paid back double that we have a graphic, can we please bring it up as you re explaining this. i think it helps there we go. so, he was paid, basically, double that. and did not listed as an expense, he listed as income for his tax, which you might say, that s silly. he s gonna be taxed on it. in fact, he was. but by giving him that extra money he actually made a profit he got back at hundred $30,000 plus more money that s where that comes from. i have a little bit of different spin on this let s hear it we don t see the words ta

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Transcripts for MSNBC Alex Wagner Tonight 20240604 04:16:00

the hope here, we ve got the misdemeanor, the tax falsification business records and then where it goes fro there, you can potentially elevate that to a felony simply because of th conspiracy intent. the intent, to defraud is enough that they don t actuall need to do it. we don t see any evidence, i think the most powerfu statement that there is, was never filed with the tax authorities, alvin bragg did not say it we later down the road, no gonna say it s never gonna happen strong evidence to suggest i think the reason, one of the reasons maybe why, they had an accountant at the ta organization, somebody came in an outside firm, that was lawyer, morgan lewis, a la firm and they write when donal trump became president, they came in and they i wouldn call it an audit, they look at the practices in the peril and their county department, and w guys gotta clean this up it was a disaster. we saw at a trial where, yes

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Transcripts for MSNBC Alex Wagner Tonight 20240604 04:15:00

we don t actually know what he did. but i think the more important thing when we look at this, th tax allegations are no straight tax fraud, a lot of people think that the trum organization had a legal fee they put on the tax return we reasonably, for three reasons, that that did not happen one, alvin bragg could v alleged it, and he didn t. secondly, the new york times i 2020 we got a trove of tax return information in that was w2s and payrol information and othe information that led us to believe that there was not a bright light payment to michae cohen. we don t see it coming up in his w2s. so, they don t file for the third thing, with the trump organization lawyers they have said that it wasn filed. it doesn t, in this case necessarily matter it was filed with the ta authority, the reason why, there s a books and record violation that they have, they show that they conspired on th books and records to disguis it as a tax payment.

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Transcripts for MSNBC Alex Wagner Tonight 20240604 04:13:00

potentially giving the d. a. credit for at the stage of the game oh, definitely. in terms investigation. that s what s frustrating t watch. it s not just more going o with the manhattan da, you v got all these other cases goin on around the country, i think when we look back and we judge this we re gonna forget all th daily debate about the merit of the single case it s gonna fit into a larger picture. can we talk a little bi just because, to give this president case its due diligence, what s going on her in terms of the tax potentia fraud piece of the hush mone case can you talk to me about how - actually i think instead of tax fraud it s false filings with the new york state ta authority. that s a crime to file a false instrument it s a fancy way of saying filing a false document. that contains fals information. if you read the statement of facts, and i think da brag glossed over it a little bit i his press conference, and then there was miss

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