son s death, holds north korea responsible. chairman kim, she said, did not know what happened to otto at the time when it happened. and, ali, i timed president trump s statement yesterday on otto warmbier. it was a minute and a half. it wasn t a passing comment. he went out of his way to defend kim jong-un. kim jong-un felt badly, he said, he tells me he didn t know about it. i ll take him at his word. i don t believe he would have allowed this to happen. i don t believe he knew about it. he knew about it later. it wasn t to his advantage to have allowed that. he thought about it, he thought about the background, he thought about the motivation. he thought about kim jong-un s possible gains. he thought a lot about it. ali, nothing happens in north korea without kim jong-un knowing about it, especially when it s an american hostage. so i have to say, rather like his statement yesterday about why the summit broke down, this strains credibility that kim