gillian: if we are going to talk about his leadership style in the wake of the storm, i think it has really been them adopting his chief executive officer road. he put that hat on, he s established a clear chain of command.veom vice president pence was on the ground today, acting as the coo. i think that is how he approaches it. the strategic problem, who will handle what? will my delegating to? that is the sign that we have seen from president trump. it s fair to talk about what we think about that. but to condemn him for choosing one style over another is not fair. jesse: shoe gate continues, the washington post doubled down on attacking melania s high heels, saying it totally fair game to go after her choice of footwear. what do you think about that? kimberly: i don t know, but if she had tennis shoes, sneakers, kicks, i guess they didn t have a problem with that. i think this is childish and i think it sth immature.