this gets into our project. black voter turnout in general elections. this is the most recent four presidential elections. 2008, 2012. it spoked from 60% to mid to high 60s when obama was running. hillary clinton fell just short in 2016. it dropped down to 60% in 2016. one of the goals can you get it back? is he going to fire up blue collar white voters? what if it helps to raise black turnout for democrats? that could be an opposite effect that could hurt trump really interesting. go check out nbc news.com. steve, thank you. thank you. ali vitale is out with